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You know we Americans are the most litigous people in the world, and we believe in our lawyers with kind of religious fervor. And we are taught from early childhood that he who represents himself in court has a fool for a client. But what would you say if a plumber said that? What if a plumber said to you "He who fixes his own pipes, has a fool for a client." What if a carpenter said that. If a carpenter said to you "He who fixes his own steps, has a fool for a client." Well, doesn't our common sense tell us that a plumber or a carpenter who couldn't fix his own pipes or steps is incompetent. You know my common sense tells me that a lawyer who couldn't represent himself, has to be just as incompetent, as that plumber or that carpenter. I'll listen to James Nielson. He is a professor at the Hastings Law School. Here is what he had to say about it.
He said, quote: "It is a fact that a student can graduate from this, the fourth largest law school in the United States, without ever having written a pleading, a contract, a will, a promissory note or a deed." And it's worse than that, worse than that he said: "Most students graduate from this law school without ever having seen a real, honest-to-God pleading, contract, will, promissory note or a deed." And, he said a student can graduate without having set foot in a courtroom, without ever having spoken to, or on behalf of a person in need of advice or counsel. And a student can graduate without once being exposed to the operation of the rules of court. Now whatever else may be said about this licence issue by the State Bar, let it be said that for these students and their clients it is a cruel hoax." That's professor James Nielsen of the Hastings Law school. Now, for more information about courtroom strategy and procedure why don't you call me at the Law school, the number is 417-273-4967. Now be sure to ask for my free general law CD package, that's a four hour commentary on the Gordon Law school. It's entertaining, it's educational, it's informative, best of all it's free of charge. Courtroom strategy and procedure is also available on CD with the paper work and discs. A complete education per courtroom strategy. It's designed for home education. If you are online you can go to the website georgegordon.org, click on the email machine and send me email request for your free general law cd package. Remember that is georgegordon.org or call direct 417-273-4967.
Circumcision.We did it get started and what is it all about anyway. Not everyone is circumcised. Jews practice circumcision. The Moslems practice circumcision, and certain other religious groups around the world practice circumcision, but why? What's the purpose behind it? Moslems don't worship the same God that the Christians do, their God is called Allah, and they have a different set of, of morals, and standards that they live by and meet, than do the people here in the Christian world. And even in the Christian world we find that multiple millions of people are circumcised, but the question is why.
Well, lets take a look at the history of circumcision in the United States, from the physicians and from the lawyers. Let's take a look at circumcision from the perspective of the Christians, and the Jews, and the Moslems. And let's see if we can get a handle on this concept, what's the purpose behind it? Where to get started, and why do we do it? Well a new area, or new era of liability for physicians, hospitals and parents. A treatise written by Richard W. Morris, he is an attorney. He said: "Every person who unlawfully and maliciously deprives a human being of a member of his body, or disables, disfigures or renders it useless, or cuts, or slits the tongue, or puts out an eye, or slits the nose, ear or lip is, is guilty of mayhem, so says the California civil code. Now there are of course situations in which consent eliminates criminality from acts which would otherwise constitute assault, battery or even mayhem. Such as consent given for a surgical procedure which is for the benefit of the patient. You know, I guess like cutting your appendix out. Well, such consent by the individual, let alone the parent, would be invalid for the slitting of the tongue, nose, ear or lip, if such act were not for the benefit of the patient. Ceratinly if the patient were not in the position to consent, the act would be mayhem at worst, and battery at best. In any case it is a crime. Now can you imagine a doctor's defence to the charge of mayhem, by cutting a split in the nose of a new born baby, being that it would keep the nose cleaner, or slicing the ears so that cue tips could enter and fit in better. I don't think any time would be lost in suing the good doctor. How then does the picture change, when a day or so after birth, a doctor takes the six pound bundle of humanity into a dark room, where the babies screams can not be heard by the parents then straps the little babies legs and arms apart in a spread eagle position on a torture board, called a circumstraint, and uses no anesthetic, picks up a scalpel and begins the only out and out act of torture performed by American physicians. Now let us review what is about to be unmercifully attacked. The penis terminates on the end, not attached to the body, in a conical flashy substance called the glans. The skin covering the penis is prolonged forward in a loose fold, this covers the glans and has an inner lining of the character of a mucous membrane. The prolonged portion of skin with it's lining is called the prepuce, or foreskin this is the target. With a penis, pardon me for using that word, I meant to say dilly whacker in the one hand and the scalpel in the other, the torturer masquerading as a doctor, slits vertically along the foreskin, the blade cuts, the blood spurts, the tiny unconsenting victim screams in pain, the victims cortisone levels go up in response to the pain. The pain is so intense that the sleep of wakeful parents are altered for several days, but the torture is only just begun. The pain is that which you would feel from slitting the membrane which connects your tongue to the floor of your mouth. The foreskin lies bleeding cut in half."
"Now the initial wound has been made to the previously healthy and uninjured foreskin, a circular cup is then placed tightly over the end of the penis, like a condom. This is to protect the glans so that a mistake will not cut too much, and it allows a clean slice of the knife to remove the foreskin. The cap is removed, with the foreskin leaving only the mutilated stump. Now the mayhem is complete. For the doctor it is quick, painless and profitable, and until now safe from malpractice claims. Only the victims crying, a little blood and the unstrapping of the victim from the rack, remains to be done. But is the doctor still safe from suit, or is the hospital or even the parents who consented to this torturous technique. Older primitive tribes circumcised females also. This was done at puberty by cutting off the labia, or labia minora. How long would Gloria Steinem stand for this, or California Chief Justice Rose Bird? How long would it take now the National Organization of Women to march on Washington, or file a class action suit against all doctors, hospitals and patients for circumcising girls. Somehow what is horrible to do to a female, is a matter of course to do to the male. What is child abuse to a girl is the thing to do to a boy. Why is there no uprising or march on Washington. Could it be that man don't have the well, hah, you know, to protect their... Even every excuse for this barbaric practice has been proven to be false. There is no valid medical reasons for circumcision. Only United States and Israel do this as a matter of course. No other civilized nation in the world does it without medical justification and specific cases. If it were not an unthinking habit, parents and doctors both would shrink in horror from circumcision. If there is no medical reason for the procedure, it is mayhem."
Well, now you can see here that this good lawyer is not in favour of circumcision. And he's painted a pretty bleak picture so far, now hasn't he? And yet, by 1971 90% of American males, born in this country, were circumcised. The number is down to around 60% as I make this report to you in 2004. Why did we ever do circumcision? Isn't it a Jewish practice anyway? And how did Christians get involved in it? And you notice the lawyer says this is mayhem over here. And yes I think he is right, if we were doing this to girls, I think there would be an outcry. But it's pretty well established, isn't it? I know, I am circumcised, and of course I was circumcised as a baby, so I don't really remember the story that's just been described, I don't remember how painful it was, or if it was painful at all. I do have two friends of mine who in later years, as adults was circumcised. Both of them told me that it was painful. They used, by the way, anesthetic at the time, and circumcision, the last guy I talked to, they wanted $5.000 to do a circumcision as an adult. I don't know if the doctor had a big boat payment or an airplane payment to make. He finally went down to Mexico, I think it was Tijuana Mexico, and had it done there for about $1.000. But even at that it was a little on the pricy side. Right now today, the Jewish rabbi here in Springfield Missouri, who happens to be a doctor, he is a medical doctor, does it for $75. You can have your baby circumcised in Springfield Missouri by the local rabbi for $75. But, based upon what we've heard so far, why would you want to? Boy, this is a heavy duty picture that this lawyer is painting. Versus the other side, this is the side that says well this is child abuse, this is something that you want to avoid like AIDS, Herpes and VD. My purpose for bringing this report is to analyze this from both sides. Is this religion, or is this science? Notice that the good lawyer here points out that there are no medical reasons for circumcision. Is that really true?
I think that I have read a place or two, and I am going to present some medical reasons for circumcision, but is circumcision done for a medical purpose, is that the reason that it got started? Who started it anyway? Where did this concept come from? It was my understanding that it got started with a guy named Abraham, and the god of the Hebrews, you know the God of the Jews, the God of the Christians, the Jesus Christ of the New Testament you know the God of the Old Testament. He is the guy that started this concept. If he did, what did he do that for?
And I heard that there was a covenant or a contract with Abraham. And Abraham the progenitor of the Israelites, was the first guy to be circumcised. And if so, has anybody ever produced this covenant, has anybody ever produced this contract? That's what a covenant is, you know, it's a contract. Now contracts most often are reduced to writing, although the very definition of a contract is an offer with an acceptance over time, with consideration. So, in reality all contracts by their very nature are oral. Contracts are not written. All contracts are oral. Now when a contract is reduced to writing, the written instrument isn't the contract, the written instrument is the highest and best evidence of the contract. Which was an offer and acceptance over time with consideration. Is there any evidence of this contract with Abraham? Well as we progress along here toward the end of this discussion on circumcision, I am going to produce for you the written contract. And then I am going to produce for you, the offer, the acceptance, the consideration and the time that was ascribed to this contract, and the written evidence which is the highest and best evidence of the contract, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. Lets take a look at some more here. The attorney now has painted a pretty bleak picture. Now I am circumcised, but I am not advocating circumcision. Circumcision, you know, is a decision that everybody has to make. And it would seem like to me that we out to have informed consent. Somebody ought to produce the contract with Abraham, somebody ought to produce the medical evidence, somebody ought to, and I thought I would start here, with the other side of the argument. Circumcision, as far I can tell, is a given. I was circumcised, my boys were all circumcised, everybody that I know is circumcised. And so I got to thinking about well why? You know we weren't paricularly religious. My dad and my uncle Carol were both circumcised, and I wondered, why did my grandmother have them circumcised? She never went to church, she wasn't religious, she wasn't a Jew. She wasn't even a Christian. And yet she practised circumcision on her children, and I practiced it on my children. And I thought, well, gosh why did we do that? Well, he goes on to say, "not only is there no medical justification, there is no religious justification." Ah. Not even any religious justification. As long ago as 1869, the father of modern Judaism in America Isaac M. Wise, at the rabbinical conference in Philadelphia, proposed the abolition of circumcision on the grounds, that it is a measure of extreme cruelty when performed upon adults.
This proposal was actually adopted by the reformed rabbis of America, at the New York conference at the 1892. If it is extreme cruelty for an adult what sort of a monster would inflict such torture on a helpless infant. Circumcision is the survival of one the insanities of religion, based upon the ignorance and the superstition of primitive man. What is the liability today of a doctor who does a circumcision? On the civil side, what is more than the malpractice area it would appear that each circumciser faces the threat of a law suit until one or two years after the victim reaches the age of 18 years. What is the dollar amount of that liability, well who knows. This is a case where an attorney could present all of the details of taking the child to the room, kidnapping, and restraint, false imprisonment, the blood and gore of the operation, assault, battery and mayhem, and show it to an international or to be rather an intentional tort, not professional negligence. This acts may well be outside the scope of proper professional activity. And if so the $250,000 limitation of damages imposed by California civil code may not apply, and malpractice insurance policies may not cover the liability. Intentional torts permit punitive damages, and punitive damages are designed to punish. And by the way, insurance policies do not cover punitive damages. Now, what are the actual damages? This tough question is answered by the jury. Picture this if you will, the attorney says to the jury for a dollar you might permit somebody to stick a pin in your thumb. For a thousand dollars you might even let somebody cut you superficially with a knife. How much gentlemen of the jury would you charge to have your penis maimed? Now once that question is answered with a dollar sign, the next question is how many dollars would it take to teach that doctor a lesson called punitive damages so that the doctor doesn't do it again? Keep in mind, the attorney says to the jury, this doctor and other's have been making 50 million dollars each and every year doing this unnecessary and cruel act. Do not let them profit at and by their wrong doing. Make them pay more than they earn, and they will stop. Teach them a lesson that they will never forget. And who is most guilty? Those who know better but still cut, do you hear me you OBs, the one who bears the greatest quilt of all is the one who urges parents not to circumcise and yet, will do it for dollars. Now that is mayhem for money. Criminally the circumciser is guilty of assault, battery, kidnapping, false imprisonment, mayhem and child abuse. The district attorney should as routinely prosecute these cases as he does child beating. What liability does the hospital incur for providing (for a fee, of course) the torture chamber, the rack and the knife. A lot. Suffice it to say that the hospital should be included as a party defendant when suing the doctor. What liability do the parents incur for consenting to this? The parents are charged with the duty of protecting their children. And when the parents violate this duty, they may be sued. There is no longer a parent-child immunity, if the parents affirmatively request that someone practicing medicine with a mentality of a savage, the child has an additional target defendant, and that's the parents. The mother and the father. As children come of age and become aware of this, we should see many suits filed against those who took part in this bit of debauchery and butchery. Parents who consented based upon the advice of their physician might now consider, or reconsider rather, have themselves appointed as a guardian ad litem, and seek to recover for the sons, the dollar value of the horror that the innocent child suffered. The doctors and the hospitals, just might get financially circumcised. Now if we can't get this message across then, what is it that we need to do to get this message across? Now let's take a look at it from another perspective. If we can't get this message across, than Christ died in vain. Is there some religious reason why circumcision shouldn't be practiced? Now, he goes on to say:
"I have been talking against circumcision since 1984. And I have gone at it full time, for the last four years. But have the myths and misconceptions about circumcision, abated any in recent years, because of my work and better information put out by the doctors, who do know better. Yes, we can now report there has been some progress. But I am sorry to say that it really hasn't helped as much as I had hoped that it would. The religionists are fighting us all the way. They always quote Paul from Acts, 16 verse 3, where he, Paul, circumcised Timothy because of the Jews. What they don't read is Galatians 2:1-5, or Galatians 5:10-12, or Philippians 3:2, or Titus 1:10. What they do read is Galatians 5:6 Where Paul said: "for in Christ, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." The reader then interprets that to mean it doesn't make any difference one way or the other. So just go ahead and have your child mutilated, if you wish, and feel comfortable about it. Well those who claim to the Old Testament even though they call themselves Christians, will always quote from Matthew 5:17, where Christ said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law, or the prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Well yes, Christ said that. It seems the Bible is all things to all people. They can find whatever they want in it to support their own beliefs. So what a terrifying difference between this false conception and the truth. This just goes to show how people can interpret and reinterpret the Bible, to suit themselves. I guess it is the law of human behavior. They just do what they want, and then rationalize, and try to justify it afterwards. I must say that's a strange interpretation or construction of Mathew 5:17-20. I've never quite heard it put that way before. The guy says: "Gee, Jesus did say, think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets." Well if he didn't come to destroy them, then circumcision is probably still in full force and effect. And then he goes on to lambast people for believing what Jesus told you. That's an oddity. We'll talk about that little later in the program here.
"Religion without proper leadership has been one of the greatest curses to ever affect mankind. But now with the help of several ministers, and a biblical research foundation from California, I have put together enough materials so that any minister could put together a very convincing sermon against circumcision, without upsetting the Bible thumping church-goers, because it's right out of the Bible." Well after all, the guy did say: "You can construe the Bible anyway you want. Can't you." And I guess that's what this guy is intending to do. He goes on to say: "I pray that our society can survive the influence that misunderstood religion had on our lives. Christ spoke out against the evils of his day. And it is as it is with me didn't take very long to see that people were offended at him. Love, not hatred is what we desire, or love rather than, or not hatred is what we desire. But Jesus warned us that we may expect the opposite of what we prefer. Jesus did so much for us, and still he was hated and rejected by the scribes and pharisees and even held council against him, to see how they might destroy him. I might point out that Jesus was circumcised. And Jesus was circumcised on the eight day. Jesus was circumcised pursuant to the Old Testament scriptural provisions for circumcision. He fulfilled that law was law that was intact. Remember it was Moses that gave us the law on circumcision. Abraham signed the contract, Moses gave us the statute, Jesus fulfilled it and said that he didn't come to destroy the law or the prophets, I just thought I'd point that out, in fact this guy just pointed that out himself. He says: "You know you fundamentalists out there, you go straight to Mathew 5:17. I would say that's probably where anybody ought to go, to find out from Jesus that he come to abolish the law on circumcision. And he said he didn't. But this guy is not through yet. And you got to remember that this is quite a little topic. There's six billion people in the world, and we presume that half of them are men, half of them are male. Well out of those 3 billion males you know, most around the world are not circumcised. Most are not circumcised. So the majority of people in the world don't practice circumcision. So it's a minority that do practice it, and the way this lawyer is putting it out it's unscriptural, it's mayhem, it's wicked and evil, it's painful, it's barbaric, it's child abuse and it's all these things. This guy is making a pretty good case against circumcision, I would say. Well at least so far.
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Alright we are talking about circumcision here, and we are looking at the religious aspects of it. At least from the perspective of Richard W. Morris, the attorney, who on the one hand says that it's mayhem, child abuse and assault, and on the other hand he says, you know even the religious people don't have a good argument. It is even a violation of the scriptures it's a violation of the Bible, particularly the New Testament, and he cites a bunch of scriptures. Well who are we to believe. And does the Bible actually teach against circumcision. Could it be circumcision has been repealed. You know kind a like we did with prohibition, we enacted a prohibition prevision in our constitution, and then we repealed it. Remeber? Well those of us who are truly followers of Christ teachings must realize that the world will hate us also. That's the obvious response of those who have no love for God. We as Christians should remember that we are not in this world to win some kind of popularity contest. We are here to do a job. We should want to serve Gods Son, who shed his blood for us. Peter reminds us that we should not feel strange about the fiery trials that try us, in fact we should be happy if we suffer reproach for Christ, because through the cross we gain the crown. Then you'll be handed over to be prosecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by many because of me. And at that time many will turn away from the faith, and will betray and hate one another, he said that at Matthew 24:9,10. Now have you noticed the tone of the letters to the editor against our work against circumcision and child abuse? You can believe what you want, but I pray that we like Christ be concerned about other people. After all, they, baby boys are real people. Wouldn't it be nice if all baby boys could be born to parents who had compassion. Instead of the bizarre attitude that I have been hearing. I am so saddened about the total lack of compassion, that is all around us today. Total indifferent seems to be the order of the day. Very few want to get involved. I call it murder in the name of religion, it was religion remember, not Christianity that brought about the curse of circumcision in the first place. But how often do you hear it discussed at a Bible study group, or church service? And when it is, it's only mentioned in a vague manner. Quoting from Pauls statement that the important thing is the circumcision of the heart. Well my friends, this never really hits home. It is assumed that the issue is an insignificant one that only involves the simple clipping of a little bit of skin. Obviously for cleanliness. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our ministers will quote from Acts 7:8 where it says: "Then he gave Abraham the covenant of circumcision." These misguided religionists have missed the full thrust of the meaning of Christianity. They are still teaching Judaism from Old Testament laws. Religion is probably the most misunderstood influence on human behavior, that there is. Our religious leaders used their influence to impose their views on a variety of subjects, that have absolutely nothing to do with faith. So why can't they be more outgoing, and justice oriented on the subject of circumcision? The only way to truly fight this battle against child abuse is to show that it all started with the Bible, the Old Testament part. The part that Christ and Paul asked us not to slide back in to. Now you judge for yourself, if continuing on with child abuse is going to offer salvation in the life here after. Now let's take some of the Hell out of living. Yet circumcision is one of the greatest human atrocities of our time. The shared number is shocking enough but behind each number is the face of a little boy with a mutilated sex organ. A wounded spirit, a child crying out for love, who will look out for those children. Who will put an end to their suffering? Who will step forward with enough love to help them. I'll tell you who, it has to be people like you and me, that's who. How can any of us say no to a child who is just waiting for someone to say: "You are special. You mean something to me." To a helpless child that would mean more anything else in the world. These helpless little boys deserve all of the protection that we can give them. Let's give them a chance to grow up normal and natural. I do not believe the God made a mistake when he created men. I think he knew exactly what he was doing when he gave all men a foreskin, he made our bodies complete, because that's the way he wanted us to be. And I thank God that my parents where Christian enough to leave me alone when I was baby." Well I guess that tells us the answer there, so our lawyer friend here Richard W. Morris is not circumcised. And I suppose when he went to his study groups everybody must have been saying: "Oh, gee, you weren't circumcised." I remember as a youngster in high school, you'd go into the showers, you know in those days you used to have physical education, they call it phys ed class. And so when you got through, you know you went in and took a shower, and of course naturally we were all naked, and you could kind of look around, and you could see who is circumcised and who wasn't. And I can remember in Eureka California then. I was probably, well in our class it was probably 40. I'd say it was probably 40 kids. And so when we were all in the shower, there's about 20 showers or 30 I don't know how many shower heads coming out of the wall, everybody is taking a shower, and you are looking around over here, and I would say that not more than five, maybe ten max were not circumcised, all the rest of us were. And you know how boys are, we all made fun, we were into majority, we all made fun of those guys that weren't circumcised. And I am sure that they were pretty self-conscious. Of course, on the other side of the coin, if you were living in China, and you went to the same locker room and took a shower, everybody in there would be uncircumcised and you would be the only guy in there, or five of you maybe, they would all look at you, and rather make fun of you and say: "What happened, over there? Did you cut in the meat grinder? Hey what happened? You know, you are little short there aren't you?" So it's one of those things that boys go through, some few in those days were not circumcised. I don't ever remember anybody complaining to me, and I never complaint to my father about the brutality and mayhem that was committed upon me. Of course you know when you are circumcised as a baby, I don't know if it was painful or not. I can imagine that it was but, you know that was a long time ago, and I have been hurt few times since then. I never thought about suing the doctor that circumcised me until this lawyer brought it up. Now I am looking at dollar signs. You know now I can sit here and think, "gosh maybe we can make some money here." Should I be thinking about money? Should I be thinking about suing the hospital and the doctor? And why should I get involved in trying to prevent circumcision, why do I want to get involved with Jewish religion, I mean why do I want to interfere with Jews and other people who want to circumcise their babies? I know I did mine, and then of course, after I read this guy's article I've got about six or eight more in here I want to share with you. Because there's a number of views, we are starting out here with a negative side, we are going to take a look at the side that says: "You shouldn't be circumcised, nor should you do this to your child." So this lawyer brings up first of all the legal arguments from the State of California, now he is bringing the religious arguments out of the Bible. He says: "You know it's unchristian to circumcise your children." I don't know, is it unchristian? Christians have been doing this for a long time. Should we stop Christian fundamentalists from practicing circumcision? We don't seem to stop people from practicing abortion. We have legalized abortion. It would seem like to me that killing this babies before they are born, or the partial birth abortion, where this baby is totally viable. And as the head comes out of the mothers vagina they take a scalpel and stick it right in the base of the head and kill them. I imagine this lawyer could probably paint a pretty good picture there you know, as the blood squirts out upon the mother stomach as she is giving birth to this baby. And this brutal doctor sticks a scalpel into the partially born fetus's brain and kills it. And then they take the fetus and they cut it all up for body parts and sell it. They're worth about $25,000 each. I can see why abortion is such a valuable medical procedure. Each one of those fetuses is worth $25,000. Did you know that the heart out of a fetus is worth $1,000, the brain is worth $1.500 and so on. Do you know that there is a price schedule for all of the body parts of a fetus, an unborn baby? And then all the scraps are left over and they kind a grind it up, and put it into cold cream and facials for you ladies, so that you can look your best when you go to the party. Let's spread a little fetal tissue upon our faces tonight so that we'll look our best as we go out to the party. You know, I guess this lawyer, you know could paint a pretty good picture along that line, I kind wonder why it is that people are more concerned about dogs and cats then they are human beings. But it seems to be the hallmark of our times. This guy is really excited about a piece of skin. I know, he doesn't seem to be too excited about the life of a child. Well I am not out here trying to get you of the abortion bandwagon, I'll let you make a decision for yourself on that. To a helpless child it would mean more than anything else in the world. It goes on to say the New Testament, the Christian Bible. The New Testament is the Christian Bible. I didn't know that. This guy is really filled with information. I thought that the Old and the New Testament was the Christian Bible, but maybe I made a mistake. I went to the wrong Christian church maybe. The New Testament, the Christian Bible teaches us that we should indeed be angry when we see an injustice, and circumcising a helpless baby boy is most certainly an injustice. Even the Christ himself displayed anger when he threw the money changers out of the temple. And Paul certainly was disgusted with many of the early Christians, when they wanted to fall back into following Jewish myths. I am sure that all of you Jews out there will be inthralled by knowing that you follow Jewish myths in the Old Testament. You know every baby boy should be rescued from the ordeal of routine circumcision. And the remain intact organization is doing everything in its power to do just that. There is no question that Christ find special joy in taking a hopeless situation and pouring out his love. You know, I see this word love mentioned over and over in here. I guess we should also take a look at love and find out what is the Bible say love is. Has anybody ever thought of looking that up? This guy uses it quite a bit here. Well it occurred to me that maybe there's a definition for love here. Pouring out his love without measure to make that impossible situation become a thing of the past. Christ is taking advantage of our willingness to help, but he needs more help. We can't do it all alone. We need people just like you to help Christ get his work done. Wait a minute. If Christ needs you to get his work done, I think Hell is going to freeze over before it gets finished, don't you? And further more it looked like to me that this God was powerful enough to kill whole Egyptian army in the Red Sea in about 20 minutes. What in the world does he need you and me for? Isn't God powerful enough to carry out his own work without a lawyer? I thought I'd throw that one in there. But for some reason this lawyer thinks that he needs this lawyer and me. Well I'm kind of of the opinion not that I'm opposed to this lawyer, he is making a hell of a case here. Can't you just picture this in the closing argument to the jury? What if the lawyer was making this as the closing argument. He just sued this doctor for 3 million dollars, for mayhem, child abuse and malpractice and so on. And this is his summation. And this is quite a little story, wouldn't you say? And then he says: "We can't do it all alone, we need people just like you to help Christ to get his work done." That's because Christ-God is weak and ineffectual, and he needs you and me. "So let me be very direct. Is it worth giving a little of yourself to help finish the work the New Testament started? To help people to think clearly." Oh, ok. Well evidently if we need to help people think clearly, then obviously these people have muddled thinking. Everybody who practice circumcision has muddled thinking, and people who don't practice circumcision have clear thinking. I am glad that he pointed that out for me. "Is that asking too much? Of course not." he says. Now he asked me the question, "is that asking too much," but he has made a decision for me. He said: "Of course that's not asking too much Gordon. It's worth a lot of your time, it's worth life itself. If you and I don't speak against this atrocity, who will? Children who are made in the image of God should not have to go through a mutilating operation. Life is too precious. Little boys deserve to discover their own sexuality. To live life to the fullest. Let's give them a chance. We are asking so little. All we want you to do is tell parents to leave their little boys God made them. To make sure they are healthy and strong with a future to look forward to, that they can really believe in. You've heard the expression this place is like hell on earth. Well, the circumcision room in our nation's hospitals fit that description. There is no gentle side to circumcision, that spares the innocent young being circumcised as demoralizing, and dehumanizing. Pain and suffering are no strangers to 90% of the new born boys, that are born in a country that claims to be so civilized. Helplessness and despair are no strangers to the boy who is strapped down on the circumcision board." Yeah, I am one of them. Somehow or another it hasn't reached me yet. And I am not suggesting that you, you know, rush out and get your kids circumcised, I am just saying to you that, you know, I've gone through the process and my parents put me through it, when I was eight days old, or maybe even younger I don't know. Somehow or another, I am not motivated , but I am not telling you, that you ought not to be. That's the purpose of the Law Hour, is to present the facts and then you make a decision. He goes on to say here, we are just almost finished, he says: "If this is the way life begins for little boys, is it any wonder they become hostile later in life?" I didn't know that I had become hostile, because of my circumcision. In fact, I've never talked to any guy that was circumcised that ever said to me: "You know why I am so hostile Gordon? It's because I was circumcised and mutilated when I was a baby." In law we call this the power of suggestion. This guy is making some suggestions here. And I am sitting here going well, I think I'll think this through myself. Now it may well be that I am hostile. And it may well be that my hostility has come from my circumcision, but I did not know that, until this guy told me that. So he planted that into my brain. And now I am sitting here thinking about that for a moment, thinking I, I just don't really think I am all that hostile. And I've never connected my hostility with circumcision until this guy suggested that I am hostile, and that I connect that with my circumcision, so if that's supposed to make me real angry, so that I'm going to tell you not to be circumcised, and don't circumcise your children. The circumcision act should be banished from the face of the earth. It is shocking to think people would do this terrible thing to their son in the name of religion. No human being should be forced into this, because there are no medical reasons for this amputation. So I plead with you to join in partnership with us to help wipe out this unchristian act. And let's take some of the hell out of heaven, our living rather, for everyone that we can. So that they will be happy to be alive. Well listen, you know I am pretty happy to be alive. My name is George Gordon, and I am pretty happy to be alive. And I am circumcised. I am not one of those that has been oppressed by medical practice or circumcision in any way. And I guess it's because I was circumcised at such a young age, I just didn't know what the problem was. By the way, I said that this second story here on Christianity and the Bible was written by Richard Morris, it's not. It's an article by a guy named Russell Zangger. Now we got a couple of more articles in here and one of them comes from Russell Zangger. I just happened to copy it on the back of this long eight and a half by eleven paper. So the first article was Richard W. Morris attorney at law from California. And he said: "Let me tell you all the legal reasons why you should not have your baby circumcised." And then, here's Russell Zangger, and I think that he is a preacher, he says: "A small voice crying out in the Wilderness, box 47, Larchwood Iowa. How could Christians sleep through this atrocity, silent Christians, empathy and action, got a picture of a little child down here, little boy. And I am also one of those little boys that was mutilated when he was a child, and so they tell me that what my problem in life is, is that since I was abused as a child, I have now become a child abuser and had my children circumcised. Now the reason that I had my children circumcised, was because I believe that there was a biblical requirement for me to do that, under the old covenant. And by the way I am not a Christian. So if I am offensive to you people out there I shouldn't be, because, did you know that most of the people in the world are not Christians. Yeah, that's right. There are more Moslems in the world than there are Christians. More Moslems than Christians. Although the Christians are almost as many. And there are more other pagans out there than there are Muslims and Christians combined. So if you take all the people in China and India, and all these various and sundry animal religions and so on. So I am not picking religion over here per se, I just wanted to suggest to you this guy Zangger, his question, his issue he says "Well, this is Christian." Well how do you reach a hundred million Moslems out there, that tell you plainly, well we are not Christians and we practice circumcision. And I am just sitting here telling you, well I am not a Christian either, and I practice circumcision. I don't think that circumcision is a Christian or non-Christian, or rather I should say a Christian issue. I don't think that circumcision devolves upon this concept of, Well gee, you are Christian so therefor, you should not practice circumcision, or you are a Christian. So you should practice circumcision. When you word it like that. If it's scriptural then I suppose that you should do it because God required it, well the God of the Bible, the Hebrew Bible. If you are Moslem, and the Koran requires it, then I suppose that you do it, because Allah requires it. It's a religious duty. People that are religious have a duty. And I am kind of a religious, I guess. You know, I think that we should obey God and keep his commandments and if you've heard this program very long, I simply say that I think the ten commandments are a pretty good code of conduct. You see I am a little older than most of you people probably listening to me right now. I don't see a problem with thou shall not steal. I don't think that I should steal your car, your lawnmower, or commit adultery with your wife, or cause you a damage and then not pay for it. I think that the ten commandments are pretty good, and from that perspective I have been a champion of the ten commandments. And I am not necessarily a champion here of circumcision, but as we progress along I think I can give you a more rational basis for being opposed to circumcision, if you are opposed to it. And I think I can give you a better scriptural reason or need to practice circumcision than we've seen here from Mr. Zangger, or who is this other guy here, Mr. Morris.
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Alright, last time we were talking about circumcision from the perspective of a lawyer, who says: "It's mayhem, child abuse and it's grounds for a civil action against the doctors and the hospital." And then we followed it up with the preacher by the name of Zanngger, and he said, that this circumcision is unchristian. In fact it's not even Jewish, and there's a split I guess in Jewish religion over this thing of circumcision. There's some sect of the Jews that believes that the circumcision should be abolished. And both of them agreed, both the lawyer and the preacher that there was no medical evidence, no medical reason, no medical justification for this practice called circumcision. I threw in there, by the way, the concept of the contract. There seem to have been, if I remember my catechism correctly and my upbringing in a, well they call that confirmation class, and there was contract with a guy named Abraham called a covenant of circumcision. And I brought this subject, and will take this sub before we finish this series. And that is a, has anybody ever read the term of conditions of the contract. You know, if I was in court and I was arguing over something and I think I would wanna go to the contract itself to see what intend of the Law maker was when he enacted, when he wrote up the contract. I know that the judge is gone want to see this contract. I think that if I was going to put in an argument, a legal argument, like mister Moriss did as we saw the last time. I thing I would put the contract into evidence. I think if I was mister Zanngger, I would say: "Hey, listen this contract here it expired. This contract was repealed. This law has been abolished." I don't think we saw that, in either the religion argument, or in the legal argument. Let's take a look at the history of circumcision in the United States in the words of the physicians, the doctors. What do the doctors say about this thing of circumcision. Starting in 1860. 0.001% of the US male population is circumcised. I don't know if that number is correct? I am surprised when I read reports like this, I am surprised. I would've thought, you know, maybe Americans were not circumcised back in 1860s. But, I would've thought that 10%, 20%, 30% would've been. And that's because the people who came here, you know the Jewish immigrants, they came over here. I think they have been practice circumcision. And did they might not XXXX, but I think that from, you know, from the time they first time arrived, I think they've probably been practicing that. And I think that circumcision from the Israelites, that is the French, the Germans, the English, the Scots, the Irish and so on, would've been practicing it also. Altough, I could be dead wrong. The report that I am reading to you right now says that it's only 0.001% of the US male population circumcised in 1860. in the United States of America. I'll take their number, and we'll run with it. In cases of masturbation we must, I believe, break the habit by including, or inducing rather, such a condition of the parts as will cause to much local suffering to allow of the practice being continued. For this purpose if the prepuce, the foreskin is long, we may circumcise the male patient with present and probably with future advantage. The operation too should not be performed under chloroform, so that the pain experience may be associated with the habit that we wish to eradicate. Now that's sided by Atel AW. Johnson on an injurious habit, occaisonally met with an infancy and early childhood, published in the landset volume 1 on the 7th of April 1860. on pages 344 and 345. There's an official medical journal. And what's the purpose? Masturbation, we got a stop that at all costs. Now, I am not exactly sure why we need to stop that, but for some reason whether it's religious, medical or psychological masturbation were assured in 1860 as so bad. That what we need to do is to circumcise this child, Humph. Well in 1871. 1% of the US male population is circumcised. Well now, that's quite a turn around. From 0.001% in 1860. to 1% in 1871. I refere to masturbation as one of the affects of the long prepuce that or not that this vice is entirely absent in those who have under gone circumcision. I wanna repeat that. Not that this vice, masturbation is a vice, I didn't know that. I have never seen anything in the scripture that would indicate that the masturbation is a vice. But, you know, this medical, from the point of view of the medical profession in 1871. they called it vice. They said it's entirely absent in those who is not rather absent, in those who have gone under circumcision. Now, the purpose for circumcision is to prevent masturbation, but it doesn't work. I think that's what I am reading here. Thou, I never saw an instance in a Jewish child a very tender years, except as the result of association with children whose covered glans have naturally impelled them to the habit. MG Moses: "The value of circumcision as a hygienic and therapeutic measure" published in the New York Medical Journal volume 14 1871. on page 368 to 374. Alright so now, that's doctor MG Moses. Well it doesn't say doctor it just says MG Moses. "The value of circumcision." Ok now, by 1887. 10% of the US male population is circumcised. Boy we are making progress now. In 27 years we've gone from 0.001% to 10%. It says "Hip trouble is from falling down, an accident that children with tight foreskins are especially liable to owing to the weakening of the muscles produced by the condition of the genitals." So if you are not circumcised your gone fall down and broke your arm. Now, I happened to know quite a few boys that are not circumcised and I have never heard of a one of them complain to me that they fell down broke their arms or broke a bone because they were not circumcised. Now, reading this medical journals you know, back in the mid 19th century, almost reminds me of medicine in ancient Egypt and Babylon, doesn't it. You know, wipe or a rub dog maneuver, or dog done into the cut to heal it, or some other such nonsense. Now, on the one hand they are telling us that the purpose for this now is masturbation, which is a vice, and then once we circumcise you there is no evidence that it's going to prevent this vice, and now in 1887. the trouble with falling down is caused by tight foreskins. That's somewhat of a stretch, it would seem like to me. No pun intended. There can be no doubt of masturbation and it's injurious a fact, and of the prance-XXX to practice it on the part of children with defective brains. So, anybody that masturbates must have a defective brain. Circumcision should always be practiced. It may be necessary to make the genital so soar by blistering fluids that pain results from attempts to rub the parts. Now that comes from Angel money "Treatment of disease in children." Philadelphia, Pit Blanks in 1887. page 421. Well, there it is, I kid you not, these are the reasons for circumcision from medicines point of view. And we gone take a look here, this is the evolution of the medical perspective for this practice in circumcision. Now we've gone from 0.001% in 1860. to 10% in 1887. look at this in 1888. we've gone up to 15%. It would look like to me that this a money making deal. That if we tell people there kids are gone fall down and break their arms if they are not circumcised, or that they gone practice vice called masturbation, and we've got to stop it at all costs. Now remember this children now, they are not prescribing this at eight days. Now I wanna point out that in the Bible Moses give us the statute, that says: "On the eight day you circumcise." And it just happens, it's a coincidence, I know. It just came out this way. But the vitamin K, the blood clotting factor in blood, is at its highest level in a child's body on the eight day of its life. It's lower before the eight day, and decreases after the day eight and it's get lower from that point on. Now, isn't that just real special. Now, 15% of the US male population are circumcised in remedy from masturbation, which is almost always successful and small boys is circumcision. Boy we'll teach those boys a lesson. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic. As the pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind. Especially if it's connected with the idea of punishment, so by 1888. we are inflicting circumcision on boys. Not on the eight day now, but I mean this kids could be, oh my gosh, they are not five, six or eight, they are masturbating aren't they. Ushhh. God this kids have to be 12, 14, 16 years old. And we are doing this to punish them, in 1888. Now, this are the medical doctors. We are not talking about religion here. We are talking about medicine. 1891. "In consequence of circumcision the epithel covering up the glans becomes dry hard and less liable to excoriation and inflammation and less previuos to the venereal diseases. The sensitivity of the glans is diminished, but not sufficiently to interfere with the copulative function of the organ or to constitute an objection. It is well authenticated that the foreskin is a fruitful cause of the habit of masturbation in children. I conclude that the foreskin is detrimental to have and the circumcision is a wise measure of hygiene." Jefferson C, Crossland "The Hygiene of Circumcision" New York Medical Journal volume 53, 1891. page 484 and 485. So by 1891. it's to keep you clean. It's for cleanliness. Ok, in 1891. "Measures more radical then circumcision would if public opinion permitted their adoption be a true kindness to many patients of both sexes." Jonathan Hutchinson on "Circumcision as Preventative of Masturbation", Archives of surgery volume 2, 1891. page 267, 268. Evidently the medical people believe that masturbation must be a keen to the cause of cancer, heart disease and leukemia. By 1895. "In all cases in which male children are suffering nerve tension, confirmed derangement of the digestive organs, restlessness, irritability and other disturbances of the nervous system. Even the colure convulsions and paralyses. Or XXX trough nerve ways the nutritive facilities of the general system are below par and structural diseases are occurring. Circumcision should be considered as among the lines of treatment to be pursued." Did you get that? Ha ha, that's Charles E. Fisher circumcision in the handbook on the diseases the diseases of children and their homeopathic treatment, Chicago Medical Century Company 1895. on page 875. Now, we are prescribing circumcision by 1895. because you may have nerve ways, the nutritive facilities of the genital system are below, the structural diseases are occurring and maybe you are suffering from nerve tension, or derangement of the digestive organs. So we will cut of your foreskin that will solve it. You've got digestive problems? Cut of your foreskin. You've got nervous tension? We cut of your foreskin. I mean, come on guys, I am not a medical doctor, you know, but I can't help but chuckle here a little bit. I wonder if these guys, you know, have buggy payments to make, or book payments or something. And they are selling circumcision here to make money. Now you talk about something being ludicrous. Pardon me. But in 1895. 15% of the US male population are circumcised. And in all cases of masturbation circumcision is undoubtedly the physicians closest friend and an ally. It seems like the biggest preoccupation with medicine in the late 19th century was masturbation. Boy we've got a stamp out this vice at all costs. I am not really sure that that's a big problem in life. Now, is it? To obtain, by the way, excuse me I mean back up a minute, can anybody point to masturbation and then say to me: "It causes cancer, heart disease, leukemia?" I don't know, boys and girls, I don't know maybe it is a religious thing, maybe it's bad, or maybe it's mediocre, or something like that. But it seems like to me a normal bodily function. You know, kind a like urination, oh my God, this kid is urinating let's cut off his foreskin. Oh my God, he is defecating let's cut off his foreskin. Oh my God, he's got nervous tension, let's cut off his foreskin. Now, I wanna point out that this medical science this is medicine talking in the late 19th century. The reason why we are circumcising people in the United States is for these reasons. I am reading right out of the medical books here. This is modern right up to the minute, allopathic medicine. Well one of them here is naturopath. In 1896. "Local indications for circumcision: hygienic, phimosis, paraphimosis, redundancy, where the prepuce more than covers the glans, adhesions, papillotoma, eczema, acute and chronic, a oedema, chancre, chancroid, cicatrices, inflammatory thickening, elephantitis, naevus, epithelioma, gangrene, tuberculosis, prepupitial calculi, hip-joint disease, hernia. Systemic indications: Onanism, masturbation, onanism," they got an in print, this is here "masturbation, seminal emissions, enuresis, dysuria, retention, general nervousness, impotence, convulsions, hystero-epilepsy." Oh, boy has this thing really, you know, listen, not being circumcised by 1896. has a whole list of diseases that we can't even pronounce. Witch are curable by circumcision. Are you getting this now? They were gone, hey listen, all you got to do is cut off this foreskin over here and it will cure cancer, heart disease and leukemia. This is by the way the editor of the medical record, circumcision medical record, volume 41 1896. on page 430. This is a doctor's book. Alright in 1897. "The prepuce is an important factor in the production of facilas, that's tuberculosis, this can be proven by the immunity of the Jewish race from tubercular infections." SGA Brown apply for circumcision medical world volume 15 1897. page 124 and 125. Jews don't get tuberculosis, so therefore circumcision must be the reason. It would seem like to me that the Jews not eating pork, shellfish, or no other unclean foods would make more sense to me, then the foreskin on your penis. But this medical journal says: "Oh no, no. The Jews don't get tuberculosis because they don't have foreskin." I wonder if they ever thought of cutting off the tip of your left thumb, if maybe that would do little something for you. Or maybe cutting off the little bit of your right ear, maybe. Can you imagine? If cutting off the foreskin of your penis has health effects which will prevent tuberculosis, could you imagine what cutting off your whole right ear might do for you? My God, think of the advances in medical science. Now remember this is the kind of insanity that comes from medicine. We are practicing the same thing today, but we won't look back. You see, about a hundred years from now we will look back on modern medicine today, and we'll laugh at the insanity and the ludicrousness of it. In the same way that we do bloodletting. You know, and George Washington was killed by a barber, he was having his blood let out, because his blood was dirty. And so, they used to believe that by bloodletting they can solve the problem. They did for George, they killed him. Solved his problem, his dirty blood was never problem to him again. 1899. it says: "Not infrequently, marital unhappiness would be better received by circumcising the husband, then by suing for divorce." So if you got an unhappy marriage, what you need is a circumcised husband. So says AW Taylor: "Circumcision, it's moral and physical necessities, and advantages." Medical record volume 56 1899. on page 174. Excuse me for laughing, but this is pretty darn humorous. It's not, yeah it's just about good as mad magazine, I would say. 1900. 25% of the US male population is circumcised. Boy have we made progress. In forty years we've gone from 0.001% to 25%. And by golly now, this circumcision cure anything and everything. I mean if you've got a melody-XXX, just cut off your foreskin and that will cure it. This a cure-all. This is better than elixir. Isn't it? "Finally, circumcision probably tends to increase the power of sexual control. The only physiological advantages which the prepuce can be supposed to confer, is that of maintaining the penis in a condition susceptible for more acute sensation, then would otherwise exist. It may increase the pleasure of coition, and impulse to it. But these are advantages which in the present state of society, can well be spared. If in their loss increase in sexual control should result, one should be thankful." I am not quite sure what that means. Circumcision increases a sexual pleasure, I guess it's what the message is there. Editor of the medical news apply for circumcision, medical news volume 77 1900. page 707 and 708. I kid you not boys and girls. I am reading it right out of the medical journals here. 1900. "It has been urged as an argument against the universal adoption of circumcision that the removal of the protective covering of the glans tends to dull the sensitivity of that exquisitely sensitive structure, and thereby diminish the sexual appetite and the pleasurable effects of coitus. Granted that this be true, my answer is that whatever may have been the case in days gone by, sensuality in our time needs neither whip nor spur, but would be all the better for a little more judicious use of curb and beringrein." That comes from E. Harding Freeland "Circumcision as a Preventative of Syphilis and Other Disorders." Published in the lancet volume 2 December 29. 1900. page 1869 trough 1871. Boy that was a big, thick book too, 1869 pages. So on the one hand it increase sexual desire and on the other hand we've got to cut it off so that we can slow you down. I mean, it's almost like, we'll give you some cocaine to pick you up and then we'll give you some, you know, some downers. You take uppers and then you take downers. And you can do all of this with circumcision. That's the amazing part. "Another advantage of circumcision is the lessened liability of masturbation." Oh, my goodness, by 1901. here comes this masturbation problem again. "A long foreskin is irritating per se, as it necessitates more manipulation of the parts in bathing. This leads the child to handle the parts, and as a rule, pleasurable sensations are elicited from the extremely sensitive mucous membrane, with result in manipulation and masturbation. The exposure of the glans penis following circumcision, lessens the sensitivity of the organ. Therefore it lies with the physician, and the family adviser in affairs, hygienic and medical to urge it's acceptance." So we got masturbation and cleanliness again, Ernest G. Mark "Circumcision" American practitioner and news volume 31 1901. page 121 to 126. In 1901. "Frequent urination, loss of flesh, convulsions, phosphatic calculus, hernia, nervous exhaustion, dyspepsia, diarrhea, prolapse of rectum, balantis, acute phimosis and masturbation are all conditions induced by the constricted long prepuce, and all to be rapidly remedied by the simple operation of circumcision." H. D. Naylor "A Plea for Early Circumcision, Pediatrics" vol. 12 page 231. So it appears that the pediatricians are starting to come in to the game by now. Hey listen, let's get this baby circumcised early on here. I guess they wanted to get it on the money tree also. By 1913. 35% of the US male population are circumcised. In 1902. we read: "I have repeatedly seen such cases as convulsions, constant crying in infants, stimulated or simulated hip joint diseases, backwardness in studies, enuresis, marasmus." Don't ask me what this things are. I don't know. But they are some kind of symptoms and diseases, and we're gone cure them by cutting off this foreskin. "Muscular incoordination, paralysis, masturbation, neurasthenia, and even epilepsy is cured or greatly benefited by the proper performance of circumcision." W.G. Steel ""Importance of Circumcision." Medical World volume 20, page 518. 1912. 35% of the US male population is now circumcised. Boy we are making progress. "The little sufferer lay in his mother's lap. The dropsy had taken the form of hydrocephalus, I then the little, I then circumcised the child. The head diminished in size and in two weeks the condition of hydrocephalus had disappeared and the child was once more dismissed as cured." E. H. Pratt, Circumcision, Orificial Surgery: Its Philosophy, Application and Technique. Edited by B. E. Dawson. Newark: Physicians Drug News Co. 1912. page 396. 1912. "Circumcision promotes cleanliness, prevents disease, and by reducing over sensitiveness of the parts tends to relieve sexual irritability, thus correcting any tendency which may exist to improper manipulations of the genital organs and the consequent acquirement of evil sexual habits, such as masturbation." Evil sexual habits. Now, evidently back at the turn of the century, people were really concerned about this thing of masturbation. It just really drove people nuts. And they had to solve that problem. I guess it's kind a like the problem of an appendix, or counsels and adenoids. You know, it poses a problem called soar throat and we gone solve that problem, cut it out. Now, that's modern medicine. Now we'll take a look at some more modern medicine, when we come back. So hang on a second here, and let me tell you that you are listening to the Law Hour. I am your host George Gordon. Now the Law Hour is an educational service in the public interest sponsored by the Gordon Law School, and all of these Law Hour programs are archived for your listening convenience on the internet at georgegordon.org. Well, let's see what else we got here to tell you. You know the lessons on courtroom strategy and procedure, that you hear on this program are just a small part of my two week basic court strategy and procedures class. And this class includes lessons on what to do, and what not to do, at the arrester when you are served with the summon citation or a complaint. And rule number one is this: "Don't say anything, keep your mouth shout and shut up!" If you can learn rule one, you can win about 86% of your legal cases. Now, all of the evidence that's gone be used against you is gone be furnished by you. And your government is fully capable of making the wrong case without the any help from you what so ever. Now listen to what the judges have to say, about this think of keeping quite. Or don't say anything and shut up. The first judge had this to say, he said: "Who would believe the ironic truth that the cooperative tax payer fairs much worst then the individual who relies upon his constitutional rights." That's sighted in US versus Dickerson. The second judge said this in Belnam-XXX versus United States, he said: "You can, and must keep your mouth shut for protection under the fifth amendment." And in Marchety versus United States the third judge putted it this way, he said: "The constitutional privilege was intended to shield the guilt in the improvement as well as the innocent in the far sided." Now if you'd like more information about courtroom strategy and procedures why don't you call me at 417-273-4967, and be sure to ask for my free general law cd package. That's a four hour commentary on the Gordon Law School. Remember it's entertaining, educational, informative and the best of all it's free of charge. Now courtroom strategy and precedures available on compact disc for home education. If you are online go to the web site georgegordon.org, click on the email machine, and send me an email request for your free general law cd package, would you do that. That's georgegordon.org or call direct 417-273-4967. Alright we are talking about modern medical practice. The evolution of the practitoners. Notice that in 1860. we were just concerned about masturbation. As the years went by, by 1912. we were concerned about, oh my god there must be 15 or 20 diseases, and all of them can be cured or emencly helped by circumcision. It promotes cleanliness, prevents disease. In 1914. we read:"It is generally accepted that irritation derived from a tight prepuce" prepuce, I guess that's the way to pronounce that, prepuce-foreskin for us guys that are down here on the docks "may be followed by nervous phenomena, among these being convulsions and epilepsy." My God you'll get epilepsy if you are not circumcised. May I ask you this, of all you people out there listening to this program who are not circumcised, can you tell me if you've ever suffered from epilepsy? Have you ever suffered from any of these other diseases or problems? Well, listen if you do, just cut off that foreskin and it will solve that problem. Do you believe that? I'll tell you modern medicine today would laugh at this kind of foolishness. If you walk into your doctor and said I have got epilepsy, I need to be circumcised, I think he would look at you and say you need a straight-jacket. But this was medical practice in 1914. you know at that time Titanic went down. Just thirty years before I was born, this is what they were selling. I've always said that the medical practitioners, the doctors are a bunch of voodoo practitioners. That they are practicing voodoo on people. And just listen to this, and doesn't that tell you about the same thing. Things haven't changed. It's just that we have names and different practices, and different procedures, and kill more people in the process, and make more money doing it. But they go on to say: " It is therefore not at all improbable that in many infants who die in convulsions, the real cause of death is a long or tight prepuce. The foreskin is a frequent factor in the causation of masturbation. Circumcision offers a diminished tendency to masturbation, nocturnal pollutions, convulsions and other nervous results of local irritation. It is the moral duty of every physician to encourage circumcision in the young." It's the moral duty of every physician to encourage circumcision in the young. So this where the circumcision comes from in the United States. Now remember this lawyer Moriss says, you know, we need to stamp this out. He wrote that about 1970. When the circumcision rated grown to 90%. Now, this last citation comes from Abraham L. Wolbarst "Universal Circumcision" journal of the American Medical Association volume 62, 1914. page 92. 1915. "Circumcision not only reduces the irritability of the child's penis, but also the so-called passion of which so many married men are so extremely proud, to the detriment of their wives and their married life. Many youthful rapes could be prevented, many separations, and divorces also, and many an unhappy marriage provided if this unnatural passion was cut down by a timely circumcision." L.W. Wuesthoff "Benefits of Circumcision", Medical World volume 33, 1915. page 434. The problem in 1915. was that men were too sexual. Today the problem is we need Viagra to get it up. In those days we needed circumcision to calm it down. Again in 1915. "The prepuce is one of the great factors in causing masturbation in boys." Here's that masturbation problem again. " Here is the dilemma we are in: If we do not teach the growing boy to pull the foreskin back and cleanse the glans there is danger of smegma collecting and of adhesions and ulcerations forming, which in their turn will cause irritation likely to lead to masturbation. If we do teach the boy to pull the prepuce back and cleans his glans, that handling alone is sufficient gradually and almost without the boy's knowledge to initiate him into the habit of masturbation. Therefore, off with the foreskin!" William J. Robinson, "Circumcision and Masturbation", Medical World volume 33, 1915. page 390. By 1920. we were up to 50%, now are being circumcised. I don't know if that's good or bad I am just reporting the facts here. So by 1920. "Circumcision is an excelent thing to do. It helps to prevent hernia due to straining, and later it helps in preventing masturbation. The ordinary school boy is not taught to keep himself clean, and if he is taught he thinks too much about the matter." So, if you don't teach them to keep clean, why then he'll be dirty, and if you do teach him to get clean, he'll think too much about it. That's I. Solomons "For and Against Circumcision" British medical Journal 5. June 1920. page 768. I don't know. Should you educate your boys about cleanliness or should you shut up about it. They tell you right here, they warn you. If you tell him about it that'll be a problem, and if you don't tell him about it, that'll be the problem. I guess we are just born to be a problem. 1928. "Phimosis may be a predisposing cause of masturbation in some cases. Hemorrhage following circumcision at birth cannot be considered seriously as a contraindication. Meatal ulcer due to ammoniacal diapers in the circumcised is not a contraindication. Routine circumcision at birth is warranted." Editor "Routine Circumcision at Birth" Journal of the American medical Association volume 91, 1928. page 201. So by now it should be done routinely, you know, it's kind a like pour a little mercury into your eyes, or, you know, little salt on this, or cut an umbilical cord and then of course well, circumcising (same way)-XXX. 1935. 55% of the US male population is now circumcised. And the quotation says: "I suggest that all male children should be circumcised. This is "against nature", but that is exactly the reason why it should be done." It's against nature. My God. Let's try this one up. We should cut out your apendix. Now this is against nature, but that's all the more the reason it should be done. Oh, you've got a gall bladder, listen, we should cut your gall bladder out. Of course this is against the nature. I don't understand the logic behind this arguments, if it is against nature, why are we doing it? And if it isn't against nature, then why don't we go ahead and do it? I mean what is it? "Nature intends that the adolescent male shall copulate as often and as promiscuously as possible, and to that end covers the sensitive glans so that it shall be ever ready to receive stimuli." My God. You know, up until 1935. the problem was masturbation, and now, now we just can't copulate enough. I mean this is, this is without Viagra. "Civilization, on the contrary, requires chastity, and the glans of the circumcised rapidly assumes a leathery texture less sensitive than skin. Thus the adolescent has his attention drawn to his penis much less often. I am convinced that masturbation is much less common in the circumcised. With these considerations in view it does not seem apt to argue that God knows best how to make little boys." Where'd I hear that argument before? R.W. I better not pronounce that name. "Circumcision" British Medical Journal, volume 2, 1935. page 764. Well by 1941. this is where I come in on the scene, from 35 to 41. "Routine Circumcision does not necessitate handling of the penis by the child himself and therefore does not focus the male's attention on his own genitals. Masturbation is considered less likely." Alan F. Guttmacher, "Should the Baby Be Circumcised?", Parents Magazine volume 16, 1941. page 26. Alright, so by 1941. we got parents magazine involved in the game, and it's now routine. Now, I wanna point something out here, I wanna give you a little bit of a preview of what's coming. When I was circumcised, my grandmother walked in and told the doctor that when you perform the circumcision you're to cut off just the foreskin, ahead of the glans itself. You are not to circumcise all the way back behind the glans head. Which is common. So when I was circumcised they just cut the tip. Just the tip. I have been looked at very, very carefully by a number of people, and they look at me and they say, are you circumcised or not? And I tell them, oh yeah, I've been circumcised. But it's only half a job. Now, should it be the circumcision doesn't have to cut everything off to make that leathery glans head. Has anybody ever thought about that, has anybody ever, you know, taken a look at this procedure and practice. You know, and if you think that this is dirtier or something, you know, I wanna point out to you that 90% of males by 1970. now in America are being circumcised , it's now down to about 63% by the year 2004. as I make this report. But still that's over half, you know, and most young boys now are being circumcised. So it's a pretty significant program. By 1971. 90% of the US male population is being circumcised. There are no valid medical indications for circumcision in neonatal period. Now that was put out by the committee on fetus and new born standards and recommendations for a hospital care of new born infants, fifth addition Evanston Illinois American Academy of Pediatrics 1971. page 110. Now, from 1860. to 1971. this practice of circumcision will cure anything from cirrhosis or the heart break of cirrhosis, can be cured now by. But now by 1971. we have an exact reversal in medical practice. Well if they made a mistake about the philodema, and they made a mistake about the medical benefits of circumcision, do you suppose that maybe the medical practitioners have made some other mistakes, like put a mercury into vaccines and things like that, that causes autism? I just throw that out for your consideration. That maybe the medical doctors over there aren't Gods after all, and maybe they make some mistakes once in a while. By 1994., here we are 1994. 60% of new born males in the US are circumcised. So it's down from 90% in 1971. to 94% excuse me, 90% in 1971. to 60% in 1994. Circumcision, they tell us now, 1994. "Circumcision causes pain, trauma, and a permanent loss of protective and erogenous tissue. Removing normal, healthy, functioning tissue for no medical reason has ethical implications. Circumcision violates the United Nations "Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Article 5)" and the United Nations "Convention on the Rights of the Child (Article 13)"." Leo Sorger, to ACOG, American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, "Stop Circumcision" Ob Gyn News, 1 November 1994 page 8. Buy have we made a full circle now. Now in 1998. "Circumcision is not a medical decision. Preventing an improbable future infection is a spurious indication. The standard of care is antibiotics, not amputation." Eileen Marie Wayne, MD Letters "Nothing to debate on circumcision", American Medical News, 27 July 1998. page 27. Now this same woman Eileen Marie Wayne MD writes again as editor of the news paper dedicated to infectious diseases. "You know that antibiotics are the standard of care for infection and that surgery is a last resort for body parts for which there is no other cure." Perpetrating sexual surgery on healthy non consenting minors under the legal age of informed consent or refusal, to purportedly prevent an unlikely incurable future infection is unacceptable. Intentionally amputating healthy erogenous, see if I can pronounce this one, erogenous genital tissue from tattered protesting infants is a surgical act of sexual sadism. Ha, I wonder, I wonder if they could use a little anesthetic on there. You know, evidently has not occurred to any of these medical doctors yet. That when you perform this surgical operation that maybe a little Novacain might help. But just a thought that came into my mind, are we normally don't just cut people's appendix out without a little anesthetic, now do we? Never did occur to this people to use anesthetic when doing this surgical procedure, hmm. Now of course in the early days they said, we wanna punish this kid, I mean he is sixteen years old and he is masturbating, and we're gone cut off the end of his penis, his foreskin over here, we're gone send some pain to this kid, we're gone teach this kid that sex is not for fun, this is serious business. Sounds kind a religious to me. But I guess medicine is kind a religion isn't it? Don't this doctors practice and temples called hospitals, and aren't they kind a like Gods in the ER over here, barking out orders and commands. Well the Kaiser foundations Edgar Shawn ignores the erogenous benefits of the foreskin and the men's birth-right to the sexual fulfillment that he was born to experience. He would do well to stop promoting and perpetrating sexual surgery. He withholds from parents who have no ethical right to consent to unnecessary, sexually (disown downing)-XXX surgery on their children. The fact that the foreskin has sexual and erogenous functions, he contends that circumcision protects against sexually transmitted disease. Doctor Shawn's failed attempt to justify surgical genital abuse is a willful act of misrepresentation. It is a disgrace, and it's discredited to the medical profession and infectious diseases in children. It's imperative that you also remove this tainted material to minimize liability to this publication from harmed patients, especially circumcised victims who developed AIDS in spite of being circumcised. Beyond patient harmed, beyond medical ethics, publishing misinformation is a licensing and disciplinary issue of grave importance to everyone involved. That's Eileen Marie Wayne MD "Letters (Circumcision, Sexual Sadism, Infectious diseases in children)" volume 11, 2 February 1998. He, hey boy have we gone full circle. From 1860. we are circumcising 0.001% of the US male population, by 1971. we bump it up to 90%, we are now down to 60%. "We have a cure for everything, the main thrust of medicine was this terrible vice" they called it a vice, called masturbation. I don't know. I never saw anything in the Bible that said anything about masturbation being a vice, or sin. You'd have thought that the God opposed to it, you know, he was opposed to Beastiality. He is opposed to Sodomy. But you know, Sodomy and Beastiality today are protected civil rights. Protected civil rights. God said that he wanted those people taken out and stoned to death. So the medical people come along, they don't seem to have any problem with Sodomy and Beastiality, but boy this masturbation things got to stop. Now I would challenge each and every one of you to go through your Bible, and see if you can find anything about masturbation in the scripture. Now, could you do that for me? And send me an email an tell me that you found it, I can't find anything like that. So you get people that are real, real concerned about masturbation, which isn't even mentioned in the scripture, and then were it is mentioned that you are not to practice Sodomy and Beastiality, and other kinky, you know, go to Leviticus chapter 19. There's all kinds sexual perversion, I mean there is evil and wicked practices going on. Nobody seems to have any problem with any of that. I mean after all what consenting males do in their own bedroom that's their business. Is it? So we are told. Until of course they come down with AIDS. Now this people that come down with AIDS, then start marching and picketing they go to Washington DC, and demand that the government found two billion dollars a year to find a cure for AIDS. Another words, they wanna go out practice Sodomy, get AIDS and then they want George Gordon to go out and pay money to get researchers to find a cure for their criminal behavior. And I am sitting here and going humph, ah how's that work, what this all about. This same people, this medicos over here, boy, they are really down on this thing of circumcision, they don't seem to have any problems with late term abortion. Don't seem to have any problem with that. As I understand it prior to broweved 39 women a year in the United States are dying, because they needed an abortion they couldn't get. 39, not thousands or tens of thousands, 39 on average per year. So now we have legalized abortion we have 2.5 million fetuses a year being destroyed. They are not babies, you see, they are not born, they are just unwanted tissue. Now that's called passing your seat through the fire to mole, it's a capital felony. Well, at least that's what Leviticus 20-1/5 tells us, and God said he didn't want that done. Nobody seems to be too concerned about that. I don't see anybody suing, I don't see anybody getting excited about that. Well, I guess I should say the right life people are excited about that. But, I mean you don't see the medicals community over here excited about that, and I am reading to you right here from the Medical Journals of the day. Starting in 1860. aren't we, we started out with circumcision in 0.001% followed it through, and did you noticed all of the diseases that this thing would cure. So they said there's great medical benefits. Then in 1971. they totally reverse themselves out, and then say: "You know there isn't a single medical benefit to this thing of circumcision, there isn't any medical justification for this at all." Well then from 1860. to 1971. why are we circumcising this babies? Wasn't it to make money, to pay your boat payments, and airplane payments and to make your living doctors, isn't it why you were doing that? I mean, you know, the real truth as a matter is, it was money, wasn't it? It didn't have anything to do with health, safety or welfare of the public. Didn't have anything to do with religion, or the covenant with Abraham. Medical doctors don't practice circumcision because they are real concerned about obeying God, and keeping his commandments. This are the same that practice abortion. Isn't it? This people are in the business of making money. And after the United Nations enacted these various provision, that I read to you here, last page. These various provisions are another coming along, saying, ohh, well now we've got to comply with the United Nations, we've got to comply with the world Communist Socialist order, and we've got to abolish circumcision. That's the real motivation, in the medical community is to comply with the United Nations and the new world order. So we are going to abolish circumcision, so that we can comply with the new world order. Well, we'll take a look at this thing of circumcision from a medical perspective next time. Let's take a look, and see if in modern times, I mean right up to the minute, and yes you know, like yesterday, last week, last month, last year. Are there any medical reasons why circumcision might have some benefits for you. So we'll take a look at that when we come back, next time.
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Alright, in the last two episodes we discovered that the medical association is all over the map as to their belief and their practice concerning circumcision. Looking at it from 1860. through the present we find that circumcision has gone from 0.001% to 90% and now back down to 60% of the male children born in America being circumcised. And the medical practice and profession from 1860 to the present time has had every belief that you can imagine. And I went through probably 30 or 40 of those beliefs we thought that it caused, that the lack of circumcision caused all kinds of diseases, and that circumcision would miraculously cure them or certainly was a treatment for them. Finally in 1971. the pediatric people, that is the pediatricians came to the conclusion that there was no medical reason for circumcision. and now the question arises, is there a medical reason for circumcision or not? Let me ask that question and in today's program let's answer it with right up to the minute, last week, last month or last years medical information, the latest that we can get our hands on. Let's see what is going on in the medical world concerning. Circumcision. Here's a story called circumventing cancer with circumspect circumcision. It goes like this written by doctor by the way, and it's, here is the story. It says: "Forty two year old Jack Smith shifted his weight nervously on the examining room table as I washed my hands. Well what brings you here I ask. I had noticed that he had not come to see me in over five years. Well doc I've got this lamp that I guess you should look at it, it's probably nothing but I have been getting kind of worried about it. And Jack proceeded to show me a golf ball size tumor, that look something like a small head of calla flower with the large cratered ulcer in the middle. How long have you have this, I asked. Oh, for several weeks at least. Well how about six months to a year, I asked him. And Jack look startled. Yeah, I guess. How did you know doc? Well the next day we admitted Jack to the hospital and as I had guest the pathologist diagnosed the surgical sample of his tumor to squamous cell carcinoma of the penis, with metastasis to the limped nodes of the groin. When I broke the news to Jack, he covered his face with his hands and he subbed, why me. Why me? Why Jack, well first of all he have waited too long to get any help fro the surgeon?s knife. If he had seen me six months or a year earlier, while the cancer was still localized his treatment would've resulted almost certainly in a cure. It was, or typically is surgically curable. But at this late stage we could offer him very little hope. Studies have shown that over one of the victims of this cancer put off seeking treatment until their cancer has reached an incurable state. And despite radical surgery removal of the penis and the lymph nodes of the groin, Jack died about two years later, leaving behind two boys and their mother. Now what makes Jack's death even more tragic is the fact that the medical science is now proved that cancer of the penis is almost entirely preventable by following a simple instruction that God gave to Abraham over 4000 years ago. The history of this recognition is indigent. In 1932. Doctor A.L. Walburst of New York review the records of one 1103 cases of cancer of the penis. Among all of these case there was not one Jew indeed. Cancer of the penis is so astoundingly rare among Jews that it's very occur ant. Warent's publication in a medical journal. Since doctor Walburst study only six cases of such cancer in Jews have been reported between 1932. and the present time. Now, why are Jewish men almost entirely free of this lethal cancer. Well. medical researcher have found that this spectacular freedom results from the practice of circumcision, instituted by God 4000 years ago. Jewish men are not the only men immune to this disease. Researchers have found that any men circumcised in infancy will also enjoy this immunity. In three large studies covering 521 cases of cancer of the penis, not a single circumcised man was found. What makes this statistic even more startling is the finding that in the age group at risk for this cancer about one half of men were circumcised. Thus, one would have expected about 260 cases half of the 521 to occur in men who had been circumcised. Instead they found none. Now from India comes another convincing study. In India there are four major religious groups. They are Hindus, Christians, Parsees and Muslims. Muslims circumcise their sons between the ages of 3 and 12, but none of the other groups practice circumcision. Among the Hindu, Christians and Parsee men, cancers of the penis make up 340 of every 10.000 cancers. But among circumcised Muslims, only 15 out of 10.000 cancers are diagnosed as cancer of the penis. The cause for most of these 15 cancers is probably the Muslim practice of delaying circumcision, until a boy is several years old. Although, cancer of the penis is fairly rare in the United States, the actual rate of this cancer in uncircumcised men is about one in six hundred. Thus, if none of the 1.9 million American boys born each year were circumcised, we would expect about 3.000 of this boys to have penile cancer during their lifetimes, and about 1.000 to die from disease. Now. how the circumcision protect men from penile cancer, well most experts feel that this cancers are caused by smegma. A filthy, and foul-smelling paste of bacteria and dead cells that are trapped under the foreskin." By circumcision, that is circum around cision cutting, that's around cutting, foreskin is removed eliminating the small poach on the end of the penis where smegma accumulates. Now, the American Academy of Pediatrics states that circumcision properly performed eliminates much of the need for careful penile hygiene. If circumcision is not elected however than the necessity for life long penile hygiene should be discussed with parents. Routine retraction of the foreskin and careful cleansing of the penile head would cleans the penis of smegma and theoretically eliminate the risk of penile cancer. Thus, the American Academy of Pediatrics holds that there is no valid medical indications for circumcision in the neonatal period. This recommendation however is based on the erroneous assumption that if you tell a boy something, that he will do it. Most mothers have had the exasperating experience of revealingly, of repeatedly sending a son to the bathroom to wash behind his ears. In fact, one study found that only one out of four uncircumcised teenage boys who had a retractable foreskin actually practiced personal penile hygiene. Now, in a recent years a tremendous amount of the debate about the Pros and Cons of circumcision has appeared in medical journals, articles entitled "Penile plunder and the rape of the felons" under scored the emotional opposition of some physicians to circumcision. Others have pointed to the origins of the anti-circumcision movement is growing out of gilt induced anxiety, leading to a fear of genital injury, and they for their state that catalistic element for the anti-circumcision swell lies in the current aura of protest. Movements are bound to save wild horses, or to save polar bears, or to save the islands, and the lakes. The establishment is seen as a Universal bad guy in this atmosphere. The male infant is his lee and emotionally envisioned as helpless and unmarred, as indeed he is. The literature of the anti-circumcision crusade has recently received the addition of a book by Edward Wolerstain, although mister Wolerstain refers to over 450 different authors, he fails to coute any of the statistics that I have just mentioned, regarding penile carcinoma, but instead, he reasons, the argument that carcinoma of the penis will be prevented by circumcision is hardly valid. For there are cases of these disease in circumcised males. However it is his reasoning that it is invalid. Medical literature finds penile carcinoma to be extremely rare, but non-existent in circumcised males. His statement is analogous to saying "Since men may die, however rarely, from breast cancer, men are not protected from breast cancer" or "Since non smokers may die, however rarely, from lungs cancer, they are not protected from this cancer. The fact is that even in the United States uncircumcised men have well over a hundred fall degrader risk of penile carcinoma, that is uncircumcised men have well over a one hundred greater risk of penile cancer, then those who are circumcised. Now some doctors who recognize that circumcision prevents penile cancer point out that circumcision is surgery, so it involves a certain amount of risk. And the largest study to date of the risk of circumcision found in 500.000 new born circumcisions only one death. Which occurred after a ritual circumcision, in a home that was complicated by delay obtaining transfusion. Now if these 500.000 new borns had not been circumcised we would expect statistically about 830 would come down with penile carcinoma, and that about 275 would then as a result die from this disease. So the statistics speak for themselves. So the statistics speaks for themselves. You can have one death from circumcision, or 275 from cancer. Now, if we have these statistics in the United States, where most people practice daily bathing of their bodies, can you imagine the problem in more primitive cultures where washing the body let alone the head of the penis is an extremely rare event and where penile cancer is invariably fatal. Now, while I worked in Africa I was a poled at that the high prevalence of lethal penile cancer among the uncircumcised nationals. In fact, penile cancer makes up 18% of the male cancers in China. A land of poor hygiene, and uncircumcised males. Now, two such a people the nomadic household of Abraham, God gave the commandment to circumcise every male. Even the most adamant opponents of circumcision recognize that this procedure is necessary for many boys who cannot retract their foreskin at all. Circumcision facilitates cleanliness by eliminating the need for scrupulous penile hygiene. Now, in Canada where only 50% of new borns are circumcised, over 10.000 therapeutic circumcisions are performed on boys who have past infancy. For these surgeries boys are put to sleep under general anesthesia which carries with it a risk of death, of about one in 10.000. So, one would expect about one Canadian boy per year to die from therapeutic circumcision, however if all of the 90.000 uncircumcised boys had been circumcised as infants an average of five year would've past between deaths from circumcisions. Serious risk remains even if the doctor performs the surgery by numbering the area with local anesthetic. Recently two doctors reported two young men who became permanently an impotent, following circumcision with the local anesthetic. And also, these circumcisions done on older boys and men are much more expensive then infant circumcisions, due to the additional hospital stay doctors cost and their work loss. Now, one author has estimated that if all Canadian boys were circumcised as infants it would result in the savings of over $18.000.000 per year. Thus, we see the routine infant circumcision is cost effective and prevents death form penile cancer and delayed surgery. Now, after many laborious years of study medical science has demonstrated the most effective way of preventing the deadly squamas cell carcinoma of the penis. Science did not arrive at this conclusion because of any laboratory steened that it had generated on its own. Rather, it was carried forward by a long train of statistics. That existed only because of the many generations of Jews and Muslims, that had fatefully followed the command the God gave their father Abraham. And in the first addition of this book I cited the evidence the cancer of the uterine, cervax, the tip of the uterus, the caps of the vagina was primarily a disease of sexual partners of uncircumcised males. In the intervening years cervical cancer has been more formally related to multiple sexual partners, and one study of the death certificates of 13.000 celibated nuns did not turn even a single cancer of the cervax. And the recent study found evidence of venereal warts, or venereal wart viruses in 73 out of every 80 women who had cervical cancer. Thus, it seems that cervical cancer is for the most part a result of the venereal disease and therefore following Biblical moral principles would probably wipe out this common cancer. So as we can see here cancer then of the penis is rare, it's 18% of cancer cases in China, it's unheard of among male Jews, who are circumcised. What does this tell us, so far? And I am reading now from a book written by a medical doctor. I think this guy is a seventh the advinstents-XXX I recall. He is in favor of circumcision and he is in favor of infant circumcision, and he pointed out that among Muslims who don't practice infant circumcision, at least not as general rule, that by circumcising children between ages of 3 and 12 gives them an added risk of penile cancer. That's not associated with the Jewish population. Now I want to point out one more thing. And that is, during the black plaque in the middle ages, Jews were virtually unaffected by the bubonic plaque. So naturally the Christians around them blame the Jews for poisoning their water. There were something wrong with these Jews cause they didn't get sick and die like the rest of us. And it didn't occur to people and it still doesn't to this day that Jews don't eat pork, fat, blood and shellfish. Now as a result of that they have healthier immune system and stronger healthier bodies. Now, while the Christians were dying like flies from the black death, the Jews didn't, and so the Christians, being good Christians that they were, went out and started prosecuting and killing the Jews. Because if they weren't gone die from bubonic plaque we have to kill them with a sword. Well, what are we gone do today? Since the rest of us, that is those that are not circumcised come down with penile cancer, and the Jews don't, shouldn?t we go out and kill as many Jews as we can, because they must be causing our penile cancer. I mean, that's the kind of logic that you see running around in the halls of congress, and in the medical association. I read to you the last time about the medical practices from 1860. to 1994. And did you noticed in the reports from 1971. trough 2000. up to the present time, that they said there is no medical evidence that circumcision has any medical value. Now, we haven't got in to the old covenant contract with Abraham yet but I'm gone be, I'm gone give you a little advance to billing, I'll give you an advance to preview, because I read the contract. And remember that, you know, if we're gone practice law, that's why we call this the Law Hour, if we're gone look at the law we have to look at the contract. There is nothing in the contract that says there is any medical benefits at all, the purpose for circumcision has nothing to do with medicine. Has nothing to do with health, it is not a health statute, and it's not a health law. Although, there is a health benefit that comes from it. It's almost like, you are entitled to three score in ten years, 25.550 days of life trouble free, no disease, if you practice this law. That is the 18 health laws. But there isn't anything in the contract that tells us that this law, circumcision has anything to do with health, and indeed God doesn't even tell you that it's for health purposes. Health benefits come from it. That's being demonstrated here. We can see from the statistics, now I'm not telling you to go get circumcised, but you know, you can figured it out for yourself. Your chances of getting penile cancer aren't very great anyway, at least not in America. It's pretty great, 18% in China. It's probably 18% in India, everywhere were people live below the poverty line in a dirty, don't keep clean. But here in America even if you are below poverty, you probably have bathroom, you probably have a bathtub, you probably are cleaner then the average Chinaman, or the average Indian. And therefore you gone be cleaner and you'll probably have less of this smut(smegma), what ever it was, smeta. And as result of that your chances of getting penile cancer aren't very good. But your chances of getting penile cancer if you are circumcised, especially if it's infant circumcision is zero. The Jews don't have any cases. Well it was four cases reported in America between 1932. and 2000. let's see how many years is that, 70 years. So in seventy years we had seven cases among Jews. Now, I got to tell you a little story shouldn't I? Alright let's go on. One night while I was in Africa the chief of the local tribe awakened me and ask me to perform circumcision on his 12 years old son. So I did the procedure in the operating room and the chief requested that I tell no one about the clandestine surgery. And for my payment he invited me to attend the ritual circumcision for the rest of the 12 year old boys in the tribe. Two weeks later I arrived at the sight for the ritual. For several hours the 12 year olds through eary shadows as they danced around a large bond fire. Then they lined up against the fence with a large butcher knife in hand the witch doctor, his body painted in orange and red and his face covered with a grotesque wooden mask, approached the trembling boys suddenly he grassed the foreskin of the first boy in line and lipped three feet in to the air, shrink to cry of terrifying vengeance, and severed the foreskin from the unsuspecting boy, and he repeated this procedure on the rest of the boys. With the chief's son, he then entered the small hut where he repeated the sound effects, but not the procedure. And while all of the other boys were moaning in excruciating pain, the chief's son exited the hut defiantly, he jumped on the donkey and he rode into the village where upon all of the members of the tribe recognized the superior character of the air to the throne. What about pain? Well no one should deny that circumcision is a painful experience. But the amount of pain suffered is related to the age of the male being circumcised. Now, the most careful study of this matter was conducted by doctor Joseph Cats. In infants up to three weeks old he observed pain and irritability only at the immediate time of the surgery. You see that the immediate time of the surgery. However infants from four weeks to three months old were still irritable during the night, following surgery. Children between three months to one year were irritable for three or four days. Adult suffered pain in this comfort for at least a week. Moreover circumcisions done on older boys or adults also carry the psychological trauma of removing a private part of their bodies. For example, one study found that boys circumcised between the ages of four and seven, view the operation as an attack on their bodies, and this procedure resulted in an increase in their aggressive emotions even several days after surgery. Even thinking about the procedure produces discomfort in most men. Well, I'll drink to that. I don't relish that. I told you I talked to three or four men that I have had contact with over the years, or over my life time, and they all reported to me that it was two weeks, two weeks that they suffered pain. Now, let's go back here to infant circumcision, if you'll go back to the law which we'll cover a little later on probably last part of this program, last part of this story, is that Abraham was circumcised as an old man, 99 years old. But he's circumcised his son Isaac who was eight days old. And the law requires it to be done on the eight day, which happened to coincide with the highest level of vitamin K or the blood clotting agent. Did it ever occurred to any of us that the pain associated with circumcision on the eight day is Nye on to nonexistent, or very minimal. I mean if your vitamin K is at the highest level on eight day, did it ever occur to any of us that maybe God did provided for the pain factor, the same way he did for the blood clotting factor. 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Remember that's georgegordon.org or call direct 417-273-4967. Alright, we are reviewing the medical literature, we are trying to find out if there is any medical reasons for circumcision. Now I showed you a little earlier that the medical reasons for circumcision were nonexistent according to the reports that we got post 1971. But I don't think they gave us all of the statistics they didn't any of them that I cited from the medical literature, cite any of these studies. Nobody ever mentioned the Jews who've been practicing the circumcision for about 4000 years. Funny, you know, how the medical people, they jump on band wagon and tell you it cures everything, from warts and heart break of cirrhoses, to epilepsy and then they change course and tell you there is no medical reasons for using it, and then they don't cite any of these studies that have been done that proved that it does in fact prevent, it doesn't cure the disease after it occurs but it prevents it. Why does it prevent it? Because you are cleaner. And when it's done in infancy rather then later in life, it eliminates complications. The hostility that you saw mentioned in here you know, and problems of these people, the pain and the suffering. You know, nobody is ever interviewed an eight day old baby to find out, well gee, on a scale of one to ten partner, how did that hurt. We are imagining the great pain associated. Now when the pain studies were actually reported, I just reported to you that the eight day old baby doesn't seem to have very much discomfort. Which would indicate to me that the high level of vitamin K is probably also responsible for the very little pain involved. It probably is the equivalent of an anesthetic. Ohhh, nobody has come up with that study, nobody has come up with until we read this report. Wonder why they didn't want to tell us that. You know I was get suspicious of people, especially paid professionals that don't give me all the facts. Now, they didn't lie to us. then lied to us, they deceived us. the modern medical men is deceptive but he didn't lie, he didn't tell us that there were no medical advantages to it. Did he? Well he most assuredly did, and it came right out of the most prestigious medical group in the country. And it deals with children, that's the pediatricians, and the pediatricians are the one that says that there is no benefit to it, and then they didn't gave us the studies that show the benefits for it. Now I've read to you the benefits that comes from it, and they totally ignored the Jews. It's dishonest, if it isn't now, and now lie it's certainly dishonest, and I'd go as so far to say, as Mark Twain put it, there's liars damn liars and there's statistics. Well if they are not damn liars, they are at least liars. In the last program I've read to you their statements in more modern times that there's no benefits at all, that's a lie there are benefits. Although, that's not the intended purpose for circumcision, we're get to that later. At birth the baby is in testains contain no bacteria, and between the fifth and the seventh day of life these bacteria begin to proliferate and produce the important vitamin, vitamin K. This vitamin goes to the liver where it plays an important part in forming four different clotting proteins. Now if any one of these proteins is missing serious bleeding may result. Now, in most normal babies blood levels of all four proteins decrease quickly after birth, because infants are vitamin K deficient. Today however doctors boost the infant clotting system by giving new born baby shots of vitamin K. Thus, medical science has eliminated this potentially serious bleeding disorder. But did you noticed that, I had this happened to me, my oldest boy Ted when he was born the doctor said, well we want to circumcise him, he really asked me if we want it, and I said yes we do, and he said, well we're gone do it right now, and I said no, no not until the eight day. And he said, well why do you want to wait, and I said I don't know why I don't want to wait, it's what the law requires, that's what Moses wrote and so that's what we are gone do. And he started arguing with me, and jumped up and down, pot the ground and beat the bushes, I imagine most people cave in and say, well ok doc I am sure that you want to go play golf, you know, on that next Wednesday, so ok, well go ahead and do it. I told him hell no. And if you don?t want to do it on the eight day I'll change my insurance plan. It gone done on the eight day, and on the other two I didn't have the problem with that. But that first one there, they tried to intimidate me into doing it. I didn't know anything about this vitamin K thing. Now, surely if this doctor knows about that vitamin K thing and there is research been done, I mean listen to the study here, the vitamin goes to the liver, how in the hell does anybody knows that these four proteins go to the liver and create a vitamin called vitamin K, which you can synthetize, and then give this baby a shot of vitamin K. Every doctor in America knows this story about the vitamin K and the eight day. And if they don't, then they had to be suffering from the terminal stupid?s. Now, I didn't know it when I was age 23. I was young and dumb. I know it now. and I can't believe that doctors going to medical school reading text books don't know the same story. It's just that they don't want to wait until the eight day. After all, they all believe in theory of evolution, and God is a liar, and the six days of creation is a myth, and you evolved from green algae, and you know, if you evolved from green algae how come the vitamin K doesn't appear in some people on the first day, and on the some people at age 2 or 3 or some other. I mean it's uniform in all races and everybody, whether they are Chinese, or Mongolian, or they are Americans, or Africans, and it's the eight day. Now, that sends me a signal, that says to me that somebody thought this out. Thought it out before anybody came up with the idea of circumcision. If the creation was in fact completed on sixth day. Now it goes on to say, one of the proteins depended on vitamin K is known as prothrombine, the following graph based on data collected before the era of routine vitamin K shots, and the fact that these doctors give these routine vitamin K shots, when they do the circumcision before the eight day, or even if they do it after that, tells you plainly that they know about this vitamin K, and the eight day story, shows that by the third day of The baby?s life the available prothrombine is only 30% of normal, by the eight day we see that available prothrombine sky rockets to the 110% of the adult level. It's soon levels off to the normal 100%. So an average eight day old baby has more available prothrombine, then on any other day of his life. Thus, the safest days in a males entire life to perform a circumcision is on the eight day. Now, we should all so commend that many hundreds of workers who labored a great expense over a number of years and found that the safest day to perform circumcision is the eight. Yet as we congratulate medical science, we almost hear the pages of the Bible wrestling when we turn to Genesis 17-12 and read God words to Abraham, remember he said Abraham, every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised. Eight days. So Abraham did not pick the eight day after many centuries of trial and error experiments and double blind tests and studies. Although many modern physicians think otherwise, for example we read in the 1982 edition of the Cecile text book of medicine, the vitamin K deficient state lasts for three to five days and may be the reason why the Israelites did not circumcised their babies until the eight day. However in babies who are not given vitamin K shots, only one in 200, to 400 babies suffers a bleeding disorder. Thus, in order to determine that the eight day was the safest day to circumcise the Hebrews, remember a primitive nomadic, desert drooling people, would?ve have to conduct immense carefully designed experiments including thousands of circumcisions performed on each day of the new born's life. Why not accept the Bible's statement that God spoke to Abraham and said this is the law. Well, neither Abraham nor any of his company from the ancient city of Ur and Caldy has ever been circumcised and although, some of the middle eastern people did practice circumcision historians field that infant circumcision was unique to the Israelites. Thus, the eight day was not picked by some genius and statistical analysis, but by the creator himself. The guy that created vitamin K. Now although it is often thought that Jewish circumcision was instituted for health reasons, there is evidence to support this view. Moses, my amenity is the famous twelve century Jewish physician stated that no one, however should circumcise himself or his son for any other reason but pure faith. This is also the position of modern orthodox rabbi such as Eric Isaac. The orthodox Jewish community is intent on farming the strictly religious character of circumcision, and that's on eliminating the medical aura surrounding the practice. Even a modern day physician doctor Joseph Miller has written: "Many people today believe that circumcision is primarily a health measure, this is not the fact. Circumcision is the symbol of the covenant between God and Jewish nation." Well that's his opinion, but here is the moral to the story. This medical doctor here says he can't see any medical reason for doing it. The Bible doesn't tell us of any medical reason, and prominent Jewish rabies have not claimed that there's some medical reason for doing this. It has to do with this covenant with Abraham. We'll take a look at that contract as we progress along. My point here is that there is medical benefits that come from it. It's not the reason, it's just that there is a side benefit. Circumcision on the eight day has a benefit. There is less bleeding, and probably less pain. The vitamin K on the eight day probably acts as an anesthetic. And so all of the hand ringing, all of these preachers and lawyers, and all of these activists out here, ohh my God this barbaric mayhem that's been committed on this children, isn't being committed at all. What they are in affect saying is that God is a heinous animal, some kind of a brute who instructs his followers to molest baby boys, to commit mayhem ad assault, mutilation. That's the effect of what they are telling you. I am not so sure that is the case, although we haven't got to that yet. Using this and other quotes mister Edward Walerstain is scolded me for green with these modern physicians, who not only accept the literal interpretation of the Bible, but also interpose their own health believe. Well, in 1970. Doctor S.I. McMillan wrote, medical researchers agree that freedom from diseases results from circumcision, which God ordered Abraham to institute 4000 years ago. I grant him that god may have had other reasons for the health of his people in mind, when he instituted circumcision, but the fact remains that the ancient Hebrews whether they knew it or not, gained health benefits from following God's command, just as washing and separation after touching the dead would practice soly because this was a command of God. So the Hebrews followed God's command of circumcision. It's a, it has a health benefits, but that's not the purpose of it. And it prevents disease, but that's not the purpose of it. And this is true of all of God's commandment s if we obey them, even if we don't know the specific scientific reason for the command, we will rip benefits from it. Now, the inspiration of the biblical account becomes even more obvious when we take a look at the changes, that the Jews made in circumcision over the years. During the few centuries proceeding the birth of the Messiah, the Greeks attempted to convert Jews to Paganism. These converts blistered the remainder of their foreskins, the resulting scar tissue formed an artificial foreskin thus, obliterating the appearance of circumcision. In order to prevent this practice the ritual circumcision surgeon ripped all of the remaining foreskin with his sharpened finger nails. This resulting raged, filthy wound ensured a high rate of infection. And by the seventh century A.D. many Jews added a second change to the ritual. In addition to scraping with his finger nails, the ritual surgeon moistened his lips with vine, and then place the infant's penis in his mouth, and then sucked the blood from this raged wound. You know, even the great Jewish physician may monetizes stuntly supported this procedure as a prophylactic measure against inflammation. The mouth is a perfect medium for growing bacteria. However so this procedure increased the frequency and the severity of the inflammation from infections. Today in backward Israeli villages fatal cases of gangrene, tuberculoses and tetanus still result from this filthy ritual. In order to save one boy, doctors had to amputate the infant's penis. Why don't modern scientists give us some explanation for the empirical origins of these disease producing rituals. Why don't they know to the careful observations that the Jews must have made an order to came up with this deadly practices. Well the answer I think is pretty simple. Like almost all health rituals of primitive people this rituals are based on whimsical superstition, not on scientific observation, or on the commands of God, so the inevitably have serious and deleterious effects. Now, let's go back here for a moment. Do you remember the story we were looking at last time? Of all of the practices being performed by this doctors from 1860. through 1970. we can say the same thing these aren't scientific practices, this is just nonsense. You know, the Bible got more science then all the medical practice combined. The creator of the Universe comes along and say, ok we're gone give you circumcision, I am gone write a contract with you, and here is the purpose behind it. As a side benefit we can see hindsight being 20-20 that there are health benefits that come from it. God never instructed Judah you sharpen finger Nails and drag out or cut of or make a raged. I mean that got to be real darn painful now, shouldn't it? Especially when the kids is five, six, eight, ten years old or fifteen or whatever, and then what, we're gone put our mouth on this penis and we're gone suck this blood out. Doesn't your mouth have a lot of bacteria and dirty bugs in it? Well, God stated the circumcision was to be done with flint knives, in Joshua 5-2. Now the God simply commanded that the foreskin be cut off with this knives. This concept of scraping with sharpened finger nails, or sucking with your filthy mouth is an addition that one man came up with. This didn't come from God. Now, the use of this particular knife is also interesting because in sharpening of flint knife you chip away at the stone and tell one has a sharp edge, exposing new uncontaminated stone. Thus, a newly sharpened flint knife is practically sterile. Isn't it interesting that Moses did not specify one of the common Egyptian ointments containing animal dun in order to speed up the healing. Now, a circumcision symbolize a God's Old Covenant with Abraham. So circumcision symbolizes God's new covenant with the believers and Jesus. The circumcision of the new covenant however cannot be performed with the flint knife, as Paul said in him Christ you are also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with the circumcision done by the hands of men, but by the circumcision done by Christ. Put to death, therefore whatever belongs to your earthly natures, sexual immorality in purity last evil desires and greed which is idolatry. Now you must rid yourselves of all such things as this anger, rage, malice, lender, filthy language and do not lie with each other. Since you have taken off your old self with its practices. Comes from Colossians 2:11. Now that kind a sounds like circumcision is being abolished, doesn't it? And in fact in the New Testament. You are gone find that there are, see if I can remember this, 94 statements, 94 scriptures that appear to abrogate XXX or resend some law of the Old Testament. And you'll find a 143 I believe it is where it collaborates, builds up a, and proves that the Old Testament laws and the Old Testament laws are still on full force and affect. And people will jump on these statements made of point not of contacts. This occurs in law quite often. You'll find a lawyer coming in the court citing a case, why don't you go read the case, it probably support your position, if you go read it. Alright now, we'll talk about the New Testament and the Old Testament, this doctor here he probably has his religious ideas and views, I don't want to complicate our story so far. What we are trying to determine here is circumcision, does it have a medical benefit. Well, a study finds that circumcision may protect men from HIV. This is channel news January 31. 2000. Let's read this one quickly, I got about two minutes left, three minutes. Circumcision may somehow protect men from sexual transmission of AIDS virus. Researchers said on Sunday, but they admitted that they do not have a clue as to why. Now a study in Uganda aimed that examining how couples infect one another, found two things that seem to protect people. One being old and two, being circumcised. Acquisition of HIV did not occur in any of the circumcised men. Doctor Thomas Queen of Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore who lead the study, told the seventh conference on retroviruses and opportunistic infections, a meeting of AIDS researchers. Age independent of viral load, appear to have protective effect, Queen added. The highest transmission rate was in people 15 to 28 years old who were uncircumcised. Queen?s team working with 15.000 people in the Racka district of Uganda, also found that the people did not pass on virus to their partners if they had a naturally low level of HIV in the blood. In this case 1500 copies according to standard measures. He found that the more viruses people had in their blood the more likely they were to pass it on. There were no differences in women infecting men, or a men infecting women. Queen said that his team was one of the first to actually go out and test the idea where HIV is raging the worst. More than 23 million people in sub-Sahara Africa are infected with HIV. And the findings might suggest ways of staming the epidemic. Telling people to abstain from sex or use condoms has not worked. And the drugs that keep the virus at bay at some patients in rich countries are not available in these poor countries hardest hit by the epidemic. But the study suggests that using drugs to keep the virus at lower levels or vaccine that might do the same without quite curing the patient might help. Queen said that he was at a lost to explain why circumcision might effect a men's risk of being infected by a women. Alright now we are about out of time so we'll break off right here. We'll take it up right here on HIV AIDS, and what researchers have discovered about circumcision protecting you from AIDS. Again, not necessarily God's intention, but maybe it's just worked out that way. A little extra health benefit.
Alright we'll see you met here. The signal is about here, so we'll have to leave it right there. I'll see you back here next time god wiling. Same time, same station. So until then good bye friends.
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Circumcision Hailed as way to curb AIDS. Now, these articles that I am reading to you come from the internet sources, this one is dated July 15. 2002. the medical review, the literature that I've been reviewing started at 1860. we carried it on up to 1994. then 2000. Now here is the opposite, remember the medical literature since 1971. says that there is no medical value what so ever. Now, we are finding out, oh no, no there is a lots of reviews and lots of studies on the medical values of circumcision as it relates to disease. Anything, anytime that you keep clean it's a health aid. And this is a health aid, that we can indentify. Study have been made. There is evidence in the literature of the health benefits. Now, they've been telling us that there aren't any, since 1971 but they lie a lot. That's what bottom line is. Now, new evidence suggest that circumcision, this is an article entitled "Circumcision hailed as way to curb AIDS." comes from the Sunday Times in a Great Britain, and I suppose you can go to the Sunday Times it's www.sunday-times.co.uk. New evidence suggest that the circumcision of all male babies could help to hold that global epidemic. With 50 million living cases and more then 16 million deaths, the disease is now the worst human health disaster since the black death. Ok AIDS now is the worst pandemic to occur since 1348. It hasn't run it's car of course yet, it's still growing worldwide. Now the tissue is laid out in the scientific paper to be published soon, seems likely to create huge controversy as it represents a complete change in accepted ideas about the transmission of AIDS. One of the paper's authors Roger Short, he is a professor of obstetrics at Melbourne University, and the respected scientist with long experience of AIDS ravaged areas, as been told he cannot address the subject at the fourth coming international conference. So, he cannot bring the subject of circumcision. Short and his coauthor doctor Robert Szabor convinced that the high level of receptors sights to which invading organism is apache themselves on the inside of the foreskin. Make it responsible for the transmission. Now, Short and Szabor noticed a sharp difference in the prevalence of HIV infection in the AIDS belt countries in sub-Sahara Africa. In some areas the infection rates are as high 25% in other it is low as 1%. Now, the lower infection rates were clearly associated with the practice of male circumcision. The presence of an intact foreskin says the Short-Szabor paper consistently been showing to be the single most significant factor associated with the much higher prevalence of HIV in countries of AIDS belt. The link is stronger than with the more, with more familiar indicator such as promiscuity and other sexually transmitted diseases and multiple marriage. Even more startling evidence came from a recent study in Uganda reported in February, this showed that among a large group of discordant couples where one is infected and one not, no circumcised males become infected over 30 months. Even though their wives were HIV positive. And Short describes these results as staggeringly significant. Alright, so here's the woman that's got AIDS. Husband is circumcised, comes home has sexual relations with his wife and he doesn't develop AIDS. Why? Now, they take a look at other men, that are getting AIDS from their wives. They note that down. And they say to themselves gee the rate is 1% in this area, and the rate over there is significantly higher. Why is that? What's causing this? Well the only thing that they can see here is that some of this men are circumcised and some aren't. I noticed that's 25% rate in many areas, and as low as 1% in others. Now, even more startling evidence came from a study in Uganda. Outside Africa there is the same pattern. Countries with low circumcision rates such as Thailand, India and Cambodia have between 10 and 50 times the rates of infection compared with countries with high circumcision rates, such as Philippines, Bangladesh and Indonesia. Once they get ethical clearance in Australia Short and Szabor intend to test their conclusions by applying live HIV virus to newly removed foreskins to check it's rate of optic. They could have definite within results in weeks, if experimentally confirmed the implications would be radical. Short an Szabor believed that about 90% of male HIV infections in the world happened through the foreskin. Now Short is not advocating adults circumcision, that's painful and potentially dangerous operation, but future generations could be saved if mass circumcision began now on infants. Short believes his findings should be spread globally as rapidly as possible. There has been insufficient focus on prevention, he said. And too much emphasis on the search for the vaccine or a cure, despite the billions poured into research there is still no sign of an AIDS vaccine. Now, the crisis in sub-Sahara in Africa where life expectancy rates at birth as a result of AIDS had dropped from 59 to 44, the disease is totally out of control. Now, the whole of my life?s pregidous has been anti-circumcision, said Short. So this doctor Short, he's been opposed to circumcision. I've read in papers against it and I don't believe the benefits out way the cost if God had made us the way we were, why remove a sound organ. But I have been totally converted since my research here in Africa. And then we have circumcision cuts HIV risk, this is another article 7-15-02. Male circumcision significantly reduces the spread of HIV virus to men, according to research. In terms of infectious diseases AIDS is the biggest killer in Africa, with HIV frequent in the sexually active populations of many countries. But the study carried out by European and African researchers found that uncircumcised men were at least three times more likely then circumcised men to contract the virus. And they looked at four cities from different parts of continent and they noticed a marked difference in the incidents of HIV. So, what we have here is another set of researchers doing research in Africa, coming to the same conclusion from independent facts. It's not just sexual behavior, this, said researchers, could not be explained way simply by differences in sexual behavior. However in some of the cities circumcision in which the skin covering the tip of the penis is removed was far more common and these had far lower rates of HIV. Ann Buvee an epidemiologist at the institute of tropical medicine in Antwerp, said: "We did find that circumcision confers certain protection against HIV, and that it seems circumcised men do not get HIV as easily as uncircumcised men. Although, the reason for the extra protection has not been proved. The research team suspects that the skin on the glanse of the circumcised penis is tougher than that of the foreskin." Now I am gone pause here, I want to point something up. On the skin, it goes back and joins over the head of the penis and there is a foreskin that goes out over the penis, and so, what modern circumcision has been is that you go back behind the glanse itself and cut it off behind the glanse. The Bible talks about cutting off foreskin, not the skin over the glanse, but the skin that protrudes over the end of the glanse. That's the skin that picks up the HIV. And you'll notice that we have these severe circumcisions where they have taken all of the skin off, clear back behind the glanse, and this doctor here is pointing out that there research shows that it's just the foreskin. They, the practice of cutting off the foreskin and then taking your finger nails and taking off the balance of the back behind the glanse. I don't know what kind of a pagan practice that is, or where it came from, or who thought that kind of perversion, but that's not what comes from the Bible. And if you'll take a look at religious practice you'll find that whatever the Bible teaches the religious people will take that and go way beyond that and do something totally different. And then they will point to the Bible and say, we are just doing what it says in the Bible, we are just doing circumcision. No they are not. Now, they have taken circumcision way beyond the scope of reason, logic or common sense. From 1860. to at least 1940. there was no scientific basis behind any of the circumcision being done. Doctors were claiming that it's for over issue of masturbation, there is nothing in the Bible about masturbation, that's just nonsense. What we are dealing with here is that the skin evidently, that foreskin, which is about one inch long, and it' smaller, more restrictive then the skin that's over the top of the glanse itself, that's the skin that is the proper subject of being cut off, not the skin that covers the glanse itself, it's the skin that goes out over the end. Now, I want to emphasize that, because it's very important. When I was circumcised, that's what they did with me. Now I've seen some boys that have been circumcised all the way back, and there have been some problems where, the doctors not knowing what they are doing and then not using a flint knife, not using a scalpel, have tried to use chemicals and all kinds of other things, and have actually taken the whole penis clear off, or they have set up infections which required cutting it off. Now, that's pretty drastic. We didn't get that from the Bible, we didn't get that from the covenant with Abraham, we got that from religion, we got that from medicine, we got that from paganism. Now, here's some science going on here. Scientist taking a look at the AIDS epidemic today have put some statistical information together, they've pointed out, this doesn't prove that our theory is correct, but I'll just leave it up to you, you figure it out. Jews don't get the penile cancer, and we find that in Bangladesh where the people are Muslims, their of AIDS among circumcised men is very low. Go over to Thailand and India it's very high. Why is it? Well at least we should start looking into that foreskin, we should look in the circumcision, and notice that it points out here. They are not advocating going put here and circumcising all of the males, all of the adults it's the infant circumcision that seems to have the best promise for stopping the AIDS epidemic. Alright going on they say it's therefore less likely to suffer small abrasions which increases the chances of HIV being transmitted. The study focused on Benin's Capital Cotonou and Cameron's capital Yaounde. Well Benin's capital, I don't know what that is Cotonou, I guess it is the pronunciation, these are two little countries on the west coast of Africa, where circumcision is a wide spread cultural practice. Now, when we get through here taking a look at a medical uses of it, we'll take a look at where did the circumcision come from, because there are a lot of groups in the world that use circumcision. That they are in any way connected with the Jews at all, no way connected with Hebrews or Israelites, but somewhere along the line they have picked up circumcision. Now, these towns were compared with Ndola, in Zambia, and Kasimu, and Kenya, where it is not. Another researcher urged Kenyan health authorities to ask, and he said, both at national level and ethnic leadership level the issue of circumcision needs to be discussed and encouraged. So there is the second article. Let's take a look at the third article here, "What is Circumcision." See if I am through now with the medical aspects of it. I think I am. Now, let's take a look at the thing of circumcision, just what is it? Let's take a look first of all at the Jews, this is an article about Jews written by rabbie Moshie Shapiro, and these are the comments that come from a contemporary rabbie. This is published 5-18-2004. So it's within in a couple of days being, see, today is the twentieth. It's just two days old, we've just pull this off the web, for this program, for these series of programs, "How a simple micvah makes a worldwide eternal impact on the entire Jewish people. Brit Milah or circumcision is performed on a Jewish male eight days after he is born. The procedure is performed by a Mohel, person who has mastered the set of Jewish laws, regarding circumcision and received extensive practical training. At a Brit Milah the Mohel removes the babies foreskin, and draws from the reproductive organ after which the baby is given a Jewish name." why a Brit Milah? Well Brit Milah literally means covenant of circumcision. Abraham, Judaism finding father was the first person in history to have a Brit Milah, in fact, he circumcised himself. Abraham vowed that he would teach his descendants to serve God with perfect devotion, and in return God promise to guarantee the survival of Abraham progeny. The family of Hebrews that became the nation of Israel, that have since been known as the Jews. Well I notice here that this Jewish rabbi takes the position at the family of Hebrews, who are the people known as Jews today. I take exception to that. But as long as there would be human beings on the world God assured Abraham there would always be Jews. Now, the covenant, or this covenant or pact between God and Abraham was sealed through the act of circumcision. Today by performing the act circumcision Jews perpetuate the covenant and make their children a part of the eternal promise. And this rabbi goes on to say that it has deeper meaning then that. The fact that the Brit Milah is performed on the eight day after a boy is born, hints to this idea of eternal Jewish continuity. In the Torah all reference to the numbers have great significant, for example number six represents the physical world which has four directions North, South, east and West, plus up and down. The six days of creation, and the six days of the work week also allude to the physical world. Seven adds a spiritual element to the physical, the seventh day is Shabbat, adds spiritually to our lives, though it is still within the realm of the physical world. Eight on the other hand transcends the physical altogether, for example the eight day miracle, they call this the eighth day miracle of Chanukah is beyond nature surpassing the physical constraints of natural laws and standards. Eight represents a higher dimension of reality. God's guarantee that Abraham children will survive for ever as a nation defies the laws of nature, history is proven time and again even the most powerful nations on earth are bound eventually to vanish to extinguishing for example Egyptians, Greeks and Romans. And yet the Jews a numerically insignificant people are still here alive and well. So the rabbie goes on and he says: "The Brith Milah performed on the eighth day reminds us that Jewish survival is not a natural phenomena, but a supernatural one. Jewish survival defies the laws of nature. This explains why the mark of circumcision is made on the reproductive organ, it symbolizes the idea that the Jewish people seed will never be destroyed. In addition Brith Milah is done specifically on the site that is indentified with our greatest physical desires. Thus empowering us to rise above the demands of our bodies. Now, the objective of the ritual circumcision translated Brit Milah is simply circumcision rather then covenant circumcision erroneously applies that the removal of the foreskin is the most important element of the Micva. In truth however the circumcision must be coupled with the intention to forge a blood pact between God and the Jewish people. For this reason a person who underwent a medical circumcision without intent to fulfill his command, should undergo subsequent procedure performed with specific intent to fulfill this Micva. This subsequent procedure is relatively painless, involving the drowning the blood from the reproductive organ, but done in the name of Brit Milah, personal commitments. The secret to Jewish continuity lies in the Brith Milah, or Milah however you pronounce it, which strengthens one personal commitment to God once this is achieved the communal commitment will emerge on its own. In his covenant of circumcision Abraham vowed to teaching his descendents to serve God with perfect devotion. This is the essence of Brith Milah and it represents the individual's person commitment to God. Once communal identification with Judaism is indeed a positive thing, but the Micva of Brit Milah teaches us that unless there is also a personal commitment it will not endure. May we all merit to bring our children into the covenant of Abraham and see their Jewish identity flourish and grow. Alright, so there is the Jewish perspective on circumcision. Note here they don't see it as medical, in fact this rabbie goes a step farther and he says if you are just doing this for a physical purpose then you are missing out on the point of covenant with Abraham. His contention is as that you'd have to go through a separate, a commitment, kind a like marriage you know, you gone have to go through a separate commitment over here and repledge your commitment to God and practice his law, I would imagine. But there is a separate ceremony here, these people aren't doing this because they are concerned about AIDS, or health, or penile cancer, they are concerned about their covenant, their commitment to their religion, their commitment to God, or their God, however you word it. Now there is also an origin of non religious circumcision, so I did a little research on this so we can take a look at the origin of non religious circumcision. Circumcision itself began as a religious ritual or puberty right as long as 6000 years ago. Little editorial comment here, I think we can probably bring this down to 4000 years ago, I don't think that this author has the evidence and after all when we are talking about law, we should be talking about evidence. Now, not all evidence is necessarily conclusive and not all the evidence proves beyond reasonable doubt. But evidence is for the purpose of bringing to your mind information, that you might not have considered before, and it may, or it may not change your opinion. After all you'd be the judge, I am not here to push case one way or the other, I am here to present facts, just like I would to a grand jury. I am here to present facts and you, once you?ve got in the facts you can come to conclusion. Now going on they start off by saying: "It started as an ancient Egypt custom and there are wall carvings to prove it. It seems to have its origin in snake worship, the Egyptians believed that when the snake shed its skin an emerged shiny and new again it was going under rebirth. They reasoned it by if shedding skin the snake could become apparently immortal then humans should follow suit, they made the simple equation snake skin equals foreskin and the operation began. From there it's spread to many semantic peoples both Arabs and Jews, adopting it and converting it into an act of religious faith, as the centuries passed it became popular in other regions of the world for moral, medical and hygienic reasons. From the book "Baby watching" by Desmond Morris. Well, I am gone pause right here and make a couple of observations. Number one the number 6000 has no evidence to support it, and the Egyptians believed that when the snake shed it skin and it emerged shiny and new against was under going rebirth, that maybe what they were believing but there is no evidence in the statement to prove it, and I am looking at some hieroglyphics here in the painting, and if this is circumcision there is no evidence that the hieroglyphic represents a particular date in time, there is no date on the hieroglyphic. So to say that it's 6000 years old antedates Abraham is speculation. It assumes facts not an evidence, it's not competent evidence, it's evidence but it's not competent evidence. It does not prove what this author says that it proves, but I am gone put it out there for your reconsideration often times a judge will say, well I want to hear this hear-say because I want to see if there is anything to it. Well, non-religious circumcision began in England in the late 1800s and it became extremely popular in English speaking countries between 1920 and 1950. England introduced the practice to the United States at the time it was believed that masturbation caused a host of different illnesses. Masturbation was considered extremely immoral and many children both male and female have been circumcised through the years because parents discovered them in the act. To this day who doesn't remember the treat associated with masturbation that you will go blind. Alright, we have already covered that. Evidently that was a religious view, and then the medical doctors picked up on the religious view and said, well gee, if this people are superstitiously religious let's go a step farther and let's advocate it as routine in pediatrics and see if we can make some money off of it. You see except for the purpose of obeying God and keeping his commandments circumcision doesn't have any purpose. Now we are beginning to see there's some medical benefits that come from it, but the purpose was not medical, Abraham did not circumcise because of some health or medical purpose. Now was know even in late 1800s that the removal of the foreskin the only movable part of the penis would reduce sexual sensitivity and restrict movement of the penile shaft. A noted Jewish sage rabbie Moses may monetizes in his guide to the proplex express the following, quote: "People believe that circumcision is to remove a defect in men's formation. How can products of nature be deficient, so as to require external completion. Externally as the use of the foreskin that organ is evident, this commandment has not been enjoined as a complement to a deficient physical creation, but as a means for perfecting men's moral shortcomings. Circumcision simply counter axe excessive less for there is no doubt that circumcision weakens the power of sexual excitement and sometimes lessens the natural enjoyment. It was believed that masturbation caused blindness, mental illness, alcoholism, epilepsy and host of other ills, it therefore made sense, for some physicians at least, that genital surgery would stop masturbation prevent the onset of these illnesses. "A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision. The operation should be performed by surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind especially if becomes he, or be connected rather with the idea of punishment." John Harvey Kellogg. And it's entitled to treatment to self abuse and it's effects, "Plain facts for old and young" Brillington Iowa, F. Signore in company 1885. Now, when it was fully realized that masturbation did not caused illness and the foreskin became the blame for penile and cervical cancer, urinary tract infections and sexually transmitted diseases. Now, all of the medical reasons for circumcision have been eliminated, at least by the experts. Circumcised men are not immune to suffering from these diseases. So the surgery offers no warranty. Well, God never said that it did, what we are observing though, in the world or in the field of AIDS is that the people that are circumcised aren't contracting a disease easily, now what doesn't prove that circumcision prevents AIDS, but there is something to it and we may not know exactly what it is, but it got to be investigated. Alright let's take a look here, I have got do a station brake here because it's 30 minutes passed so. You are listening to the Law Hour and I am your host George Gordon. Now the Law Hour is an educational service in the public interest, sponsored by the Gordon Law School. All of these Law Hour program are archived for your listening convenience on the internet at georgegordon.org. 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Ok well, that's good, that's good, but it seemed that is not prove that it did that, so I want to point that out. Many theories have been advanced to explain the origin of genital mutilation, one theory postulates that circumcision began as a way of purifying individuals and society by reducing sexuality and sexual pleasure. Human sexuality has, or was seen as dirty or impure in some societies hands cutting off the pleasure producing parts was the obvious way to purify someone. But that runes exactly opposite, what I always heard, in fact in all of the religions including Christianity sex is worshiped. You know, the idea of putting eggs out and rabbits at Easter time, those are sex and sexual a rights of religion. This doesn't seem, just doesn't fit in with what I have always seen, what I have always read, what I have heard concerning religion. This guys are, this guys are out here with temple prostitutes, I think they have got rabbits running around, they are laying eggs everywhere. They are worshiping sex, they are promoting sex and sexual activity, which if anything would be condemned in the scripture but I am not really sure that the purpose for circumcision is to slow this people down, seems like to me that they want to be speeding up. Anyway, take it for what it is worth, it is now known that the male foreskin or prepuce, I guess that is the way to pronounce that foreskin, is the principle location if erogenous sensation in the human male. Removal of this prepuce substantionaly reduces erogenous sensation, therefore in the appropriate cultural contact circumcision is revealed as a sacrifice of sinful human enjoyment in this earthly life for the sake of holiness in the afterlife. Now, the Jews adopted circumcision as a religious ritual and they preserved this prehistoric practice in the modern times. The circumcision of Abraham, removing only the very tip that extended beyond the glanse penis. Now, that's the evidence I see in the scripture that that foreskin is not the whole skin but just the tip or the end, about one inch. Now, the circumcision of Moses and his sons, it says we are not circumcised, and Exodus 4:25 is what they are citing, although Moses superently prohibited circumcision during the forty years in the wilderness, Joshua and Joshua 5:5 reinstituted circumcision a Gilgal after the death of Moses. Joshua 5:2-10 and it's interesting to know that after the Israelites were circumcised immediately became soldiers in Joshua's army for the conquest of Palestine, Joshua 6:2-3. Well, I might make a couple of editorial comments here, in Exodus 4:25 it does not say that the Moses was not circumcised, it doesn't say. And apparently prohibited circumcision during the 40 years in the wilderness, it wasn't Moses that made prohibition it was God that did it. Moses was a secretary, Moses was not the boss. Now Joshua did reinstituted circumcision at Gilgal, it wasn't Joshua again it was God, he said, ok we ain't moving any further till we are circumcised boys and girls, let's get with it. And it's interesting to know that after the Israelites were circumcised, they immediately became soldiers in Joshua's army for the conquest of Palestine, that's true. In contrast to the Jews, the Greeks and the Romans placed a high value on the foreskin. The Romans passed several laws to protect the foreskin by prohibiting circumcision. Much later in the Hellenic period about 140 AD the circumcision procedures was modified to make it impossible for a Jew to appear to be a Greek, and a radical new procedure called Porria-XXX was introduced by the priest and rabbies, and in this procedure the foreskin was stripped away from the glanse with each it is fused in the infant. Now in a painful procedure known today as a synechotomy, see if I pronounced that right, synechotomy more foreskin was removed then before and the injury was correspondingly greater. With the introduction of Porria the glanse could not easily recovered and so Jewish, so no Jewish male would easily be able to appear as a Greek, and it may have been at this time that upon us Judea, it's also know as a Judean pondom a bronze wait worn by Jews on the residual foreskin to stretch it back into a foreskin, gained great popularity among the Jewish males, and this lessened the ugly appearance of the bare exposed circumcised penis. This restorative procedure was known by the Greek word epispesam or rolling inward. The third stage of ritual circumcision the methsisa was not introduced until the Talmudic period from 500-625, they have got C.E. down here, I don't know what C.E. means, I am assuming that's before Christ, so I was raised in another era when we used AD and BC, so the Hellenic period must be one forty C.E. I think it should be common era. Let me see if I am right here, common era, they've got here the third stage of ritual circumcision was not introduced until the Talmudic period 5 to 6, 25 of the common era, I think that's AD. In methsisa the mohio the ritual circumciser sucks blood from the penis of the circumcised penis with his mouth. This procedure was responsible for the death of many Jewish babies due to infection. In modern times a glass tube are sometimes used instead. Yeh, I hope they get over that, that's very unscientific and it's very dirty. The reform movement within Judaism considered circumcision to be a cruel practice, and the reformed movement at Frankfurt declared 1843. that circumcision was not necessary. The Christians took a strong stand against circumcision in the first century and Christians rejected circumcision at the council of Jerusalem as we read in Ex 15, Saint Paul the apostle to the gentiles taught parents that they should not circumcise their children and also Paul warned Titus to beware of the circumcision group. I put a mark on that paragraph, we'll take that up when we look at the New Testament and circumcision. I think that the evidence will show that another conclusion is more logical. Now, the modern use of Hebrew circumcision as a medicalized practice dates from about 1865 in England and about 1870. in the United States. The procedure accepted for medical use essentially was the Jewish Porria a mascusy reports that circumcision was imposed in an attempt to prevent masturbation, God here is that terrible vice of a masturbation again, people were really excited about that. Now Goller further describes the history of medicalized circumcision, no scientific studies were carried out to determine the efficacy and safety of circumcision prior to its introduction into medical practice, nor were any studies conducted to determine to social effects of imposing genital alteration surgery on the large portion of the population. Now, the South Koreans started to circumcise children during the American trust issue up after world war two, and the American cultural practice of circumcision became nearly universal in South Korea after the Korean war of 1950-1952. In 1949. Gardner wrote that circumcision was medically unnecessary and nonbenefitial and contradicted because of complications and deaths. And let me pause here, complications and deaths in new born?s. I don't know of a single case of new born being circumcised on the eight day that is taking off just the foreskin, not the whole covering of the glanse itself, has ever produced a single death. I have not seen one single documented piece of evidence in that regard, and I have only seen a few babies who were circumcised prior to or after the eight day that have blood to death. Now, there have been so, but very few, and it typically is the radical circumcision that takes off all of the skin cleared back behind the glanse itself. Now, the British national health service deleted nontherapeutic neonatal circumcision from the schedule of covered procedures in 1950. the incidents of neonatal circumcision in the United Kingdom declined sharply, as a very low level after publication of this article of the procedure or after the procedure was delisted by the National Health service. Now, America waited another 20 years before addressing the problem of nontherapeutic circumcision. The Journal of the American medical association published an influential landmark article by doctor E. Noll Preston, doctor Preston established that there is no therapeutic or profilacting benefit to circumcision and he also cited undesirable, psychological, sexual and medical legal difficulties. Now, influenced by the Preston American Academy of Pediatrics that's called AAP in 1971., issued a statement that there are no valid medical reasons for instance fro circumcision in neonatal period. This marked the beginning of the end of American's infatuation with male circumcision. The incidents of male neonatal circumcision in the United States peaks in 1971. and began to slow or aslow, declined and continues to the present day. Well those are facts and figures that we have already covered, I mean we've been looking at these dates 1971. no medical reasons, then I came back and I rebooted that . Now remember when an expert witness like a doctor testifies as they have in this documents, of course we are handicapped here we haven't got any cross examination and we don't have the live testimony, but we are looking what, at what appears to be their statements and we'll presume their statements to be true, accurate and correct for the sake of our analysis. And by 1971. when they come back and they say that there is no medical justification for it, and then we come back and we read, oh yes, there is lots of scientific studies, lots facts and figures, lots of knowledge and information such as the vitamin K story. This is what we call the preponderance of evidence. You don't have to prove something beyond reasonable doubt, what we need here, what would a reasonable person conclude after reviewing this evidence. Now, that's in your preview, it's not for me to sit here and say, you know, if you were rational person you would come to this conclusion. See that is what we call leading and suggestive, the objective here is to present you with this facts concerning circumcision so that you can draw a conclusion. Now, a judge will often times let the jury know what his thinking is, I mean he'll tell you, I think that guy is guilty hell, or you know, thus and such or so and so, and he'll give certain rules and then of course when he says: "I think that guy is guilty.", if they release him then you can't appeal it, and if they find him guilty they overturn the judges, the jury?s verdict and then they say, well the jury was prejudiced by the judge, and then they turned around and reverse the conviction and order a new trial. But in this scenario here the evidence that I am compiling and presenting is both sides of the argument. You've got the legal side that says, this is mayhem, you got the religious side that says this is child abuse and we have to stop it in the name of Jesus, and you've got the historical perspective, you've got the medical perspective, you've got the Jewish perspective. Now we are looking at the historical perspective, all of this perspectives way in on the subject of circumcision. Now we haven't gotten to the contract yet. Remember I told you that in litigation we want to see the contract and we want to know what are the intentions of the law makers, the two law makers in this case are Abraham and God. And this contract is written up in Genesis 17, we'll take a look at it when we come to it, I've got the information here. We'll take a look at the New Testament, what did Paul do, did Paul and the Apostles repeal circumcision, is it true that the New Testament now repeal circumcision, circumcision used to be a good practice, but it was found wanting and so we repealed it. We'll investigate that, we'll look at the legal basis for that argument. Now the development of the new information in the medical literature since 1975. caused the AAP to revisit the matter of circumcision in 1981. and a new task for son of the chair of Edgar J. Shawn MD examine new data about neonatal pain behavior changes and the loss of sexual sensitivity. Secondary to neonatal circumcision new data also conclusively established the role of the human HPV in the pathogenesis of genital cancers. This removed any lingerie belief that the foreskin somehow caused cancer. The Canadian Pediatric society revisited the matter of neonatal circumcision in 1996. a new evidence based policy statement was issued that strengthen it's 1975. recommendation, stating that circumcision is medically unnecessary and CPS recommended circumcision should not be routinely performed. And the incidents of neonatal circumcision in the United States has continued to declined and stood only 60% 1996. in that same year the Australian College of Pediatrics, the ACP that the incidents of neonatal circumcision of Australia has continued to declined to 10%. and the ACP termed circumcision traumatic, a possible violation of human rights and they called for parents to be provided with full and complete information about circumcision before making a decision. The circumcision information and resource pages were created in 1995. to provide a source of accurate information about circumcision on the world wide web. John R. Taylor and Colleges published a landmark article at 1996. that described original research into the anatomy and history of the foreskin. The research showed that the foreskin is highly intervened tissue with the characteristics of a sensory organ designed to provide erogenous sensation. Notice that it was designed to provide this, didn't just accidentally evolved. Now the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in a joint statement reclassified neonatal circumcision from routine to elective in 1997. Now, the change in this policy was announced in the year after the publication of Taylor's important article that describes in detail the injury inherit in every circumstance and every circumcision. The action, or this action removes any suggestion that circumcision is beneficial or that it is recommended by medical authorities and it may also be an attempt to shift legal liability for the injury that is inherent and every child circumcision for the doctors to the parents. Alright now, we are picking up again where we started this discussion. Is there a legal liability, for lets say hospitals, doctors and does this follow the new world order program in the United Nations? So the council on scientific affairs of the American medical association issued a policy report in December of 1999. that reclassified neonatal circumcision as a nontherapeutic procedure and this may have a medical legal impact. So, if you have disease circumcision isn't going to cure it. But that's a little different than if you are circumcised you may not get disease, leaving out, epilepsy and 55 other diseases that probably don't have any connection. At least the AIDS researchers that we have investigated tend to show that there has been some benefit, some benefit from circumcision, but we don't know why. and we don't know how much. Alright next time we'll complete this segment of the program, and we'll take a look at some more religious arguments against the circumcision procedure, and the controversy over this necessity of circumcision. And then we'll take up the contract itself after we finish the next segment. We'll take a look at the contract with Abraham, we'll take a look at the New Testament, we'll take a look at circumcision from the perspective of the Bible, so far I have left the Bible, which should be the final authority on this thing of law. And I show you why when we get to it, I've left it for last so that we can take a look at what the argument is first, and then see if we can settle the argument by looking at the law and the lawmakers, the contract and the contracting parties.
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Alright, we've taken a look here at this thing called circumcision, and we've talked about the Jew and Jewish perspective on circumcision, doctors and medical doctors and professors and rabbis, what Christians think about circumcision, the American Medical Association, the Pediatric Association, preachers and researchers and historians. It?s called unnecessary surgery by some, it?s a ritual by others, there are health aspects connected to it, so let's take a look now at malpractice, what happens when an accident occurs during this malpractice or during the circumcision which constitutes a malpractice, and how often does that occur, what kind of accidents might happened if you had your child circumcised. Well there's a controversy over the necessity of circumcision. So, when a baby is born and the umbilical cord is cut and if that baby is a boy it is almost certain that the next separation will come with what is being singled out, as the only routinely done unnecessary surgery, it's called circumcision. It is a centuries old religious and cultural practice, circumcision is the surgical removal of the foreskin, the natural hood of skin that covers the tip of the penis, and it's done as a ritual among Jews, Moslems and in some African, Australian and other cultures, but most of the world's male population is not circumcised. And this is the only country where it is a virtual, automatic for male children, and it has been since about 1940. Now, over the years research has shut down most of the medical arguments for doing circumcision, from preventing masturbation to preventing venereal disease, to preventing cancer, and there are risks which argue against it as a routine practice. The risks are rare and usually minimal when they do occur, but there is the potential for tragedy as evidenced by some recent malpractice suits. The debate over non religious circumcision has gone on for at least 25 years with no major changes in incidents. Not even sense on American Academy of Pediatrics task force reported in 1975. that there is no absolute medical indication for routine circumcision in the new born. The recommendation was for doctors to thermally discus the subject with parents before birth if possible so the parents could make a thoughtful decision. But now the practice of routinely circumcising male babies faces the unkindest cut, any medical procedure can receive, and that is the denial of insurance coverage. Pennsylvania Blue Shield the largest Blue Shield plant in the country decided in August that it will no longer pay for the routine circumcision of babies as of July 1986. The weight of medical evidence is on the plant side. The Blue Shield officials feel they should no longer pay out more than a million dollars a year, the plant's share, of the $50 to $200 doctor?s fee per circumcision for a procedure that has been declared to make no more medical sense then the routine removal of tonsils and adenoids. Which by the way, when I was a kid back 1940. I can remember any of the children in my circle of friends that did not have their tonsils and adenoids removed. Now, my grandmother, I was raised by my grandparents, my parents divorced and my dad was in the Army during World War 2, and my grandmother was a old-time lady and her thinking on the matter was, if God had indented children to be vaccinated he would've designed us with a needle sticking out of our arm to be hooked up to the syringe, and that circumcision was a part and parcel with male anatomy but you don't cut it all off clear back behind the glanse, you cut off the foreskin, the tip of it. And she protected me there, she protected me from vaccinations, pretty grand old lady. Now she was born in 1880s, she knew what the dangers of vaccinations were, she had lived through the smallpox, compulsory vaccination period and when the common medical belief in practice of the 1920s and 30s to take out children's tonsils, she said no and I had a sore throats probably, just like anybody else but she didn't rush me off to the doctor, I had pneumonia, a couple of times and colds and she treated us right there at home, she wasn't rushing me off to the doctors and hospitals, at least not until it was absolutely necessary. Now, today we have a little different mentality, we have pediatricians that direct the raising of children. Mothers today wouldn't dare make a move without consulting with their master the pediatrician, to find out what it is I am supposed to do. Now, pediatricians have bills to pay, and when a pediatrician needs more money he says, well this kid's tonsils need to come out, hey this kid's appendix needs to come out, hey this needs to be done. Now, thinking about circumcision routinely compared tonsils and adenoids, that was the conventional medical wisdom of the time. New Jersey Blue Shield which has no plans to stop covering the circumcision said it paid $490.000 for 11.857 of the procedures in the last twelve months. Pennsylvania Blue Shield officials are certain they have made the right decision for medical as well as for economic reasons, and that they are setting the pays for sister companies. Well now they are trying to figure out how to tell 6 million subscribers that, it's not widely known that we have come to this decision said Frank J. Ryan, he is the vice president for corporative and public affairs, and it's not that the plant is trying to hide anything, in fact it's trying to come up with a good educational campaign to spread the news. The problem is the tonsils and adenoids are one think, foreskin is quite another. Now, when the plant surveyed benefits managers and doctors on the subject of medically unnecessary circumcision Ryan said, instead of getting the cool objective assessments it was used to getting from these or those professionals that it heard, but parents wanted and why should, or why would you want their sons to look different. Now with this issue Ryan said, we expect for obvious traditional and cultural reasons feedback, particularly if we are not successful, and telling our side of the story. Now recent events in Georgia may help tell it. You see in August two families filed suits against doctors there who had used electrical cauterizing devices during the circumcision of two babies. Now I want you to note here that there is electrical cauterizing devices, not a flint knife that God instructed us to use, not a sergeant scalpel which doctors have used in place of the flint knives, but these are electrical cauterizing devices. Now, one of these boys, or those boys is now a girl. The suit charges that the boy's penis and scrod me were burned so badly during the circumcision that the only alternative was a sex change operation. The other suit claims that 90% of the penis was severely burned, a third case was settled out of court reportedly for 5 million dollars, and that baby was severely burned, and had to have plastic surgery to reconstruct his penis. The hospitable is sense banned the use of cauterizing instrument. I am going to pause right here and point out, remember the scripture tells us the eight day, vitamin K is at highest, we learned that, and it's to be done with a flint knife. Alright now, if you don't use a flint knife then at least you've got to use some kind of a stainless steel surgical instrument, I prefer the flint knife, and I prefer a Jewish rabbi to do it. And that's because they do it day in and day out, and I have never heard of a Jewish rabbi making a mistake, nothing like this. Now, I suppose it might happened, but for instance here in our local area in Springfield we call the local Jewish Synagogue and said we needed a circumcision and the rabbi was very helpful, and he said listen let me send you down here to doctor and so and so, charge $75. Common boys and girls surely you've got $75. You take him in on the eight day, the doctor doesn't give anesthetic, he knows exactly what to and how to do it, he's been doing this routinely for Jews for generations, and he'll do it for you. And you want have this, this electrical, you know these substitutes just invite trouble, that's all. And you can avoid these ritual religious type taking your sharp finger nails, and going through all these craziness, you know, and that, this religion, you know, is a problem. It's been a problem with mankind from the Garden of Eden forward. I don't care what religion it is, there's excesses that goes on. And these excesses just breed trouble, and we just don't for some reason, don't seem to get the picture that if you just do what you are told, the recopy works out better. Well going on here they say the hospital sense banned the use of this cauterizing instrument and more circumcisions are done with surgical knives, or using a ring like clamp and devices that goes around the penis catch the foreskin and then clamp it off. That again is that radical circumcision that takes all of the skin off behind the glanse, that goes beyond anything that God instructed you to do. Foreskin means what it says, not all of the skin, just the tip, the foreskin. The Princeton insurance company is one of two major malpractice carriers in New Jersey and that company did not provide exact numbers but found several categories of claims related to circumcision, going back 25 years. Amputation has been charged, but never proven, and it might seem to fairly straight forward determination but apparently the instruments most often use to circumcise reduce the possibility of amputation during the procedure. However, infection may result and the loss of the penis, and cautery to control bleeding may permanently cut off the blood supply eventually requiring amputation because of complications. Incomplete circumcision that has to be repeated or taking off too much tissue which can result in a penis berried in the scrodome after circumcision heals, the trauma caused by gauze rapes apply too tightly after the surgery or among the problem sited in some of those suits. Major complications are still considered rare. Doctor Wesley Boodish a Millburn pediatrician is an attending physician at Saint Barnabas in Livingstone which is one of the most active maternity services in the State, he said that in 29 years of practice he has yet to see any of the serious complications and has yet to see a year pass without a debate on whether or not to circumcise. There is probably no medical indication it has to do with a cultural kind of thing, he said, in most cases what was done or not done to the father is selected as the choice for the son. Something that helps perpetuate circumcision. Boodish is a pediatrician, most circumcisions are done by the obstetricians who deliver the babies and because anesthesia increases the risk of any procedure new born circumcision is usually done without any anesthetic. Now, as for local anesthetic doctors could some say, they should virtually, no one does said Boodish, the baby is fuss a bit and that's all over in a minute. Anesthesia is used when circumcising adult male, I should hope so, estimates are that 5% or more of the uncircumcised males will require the operation later in life, so here is the thought for you to keep in mind, 5% of uncircumcised males have to have circumcision done as adults. Now that's one in 20, it's not big, but you know 5% is a pretty sizeable number. And I knew of a fallow one time that had that, and here is what it's called, this is where you are forty years old and you now have to have a circumcision because it's called fimoses, when a foreskin becomes too tight to retract or pull back from the tip of the penis, and Balanitis, inflammation of the penis are conditions which may occur and require circumcision, the greater cost and trauma for the older male is one argument, those for routine circumcision advance, now there is a thought for you. When we get here to the end of the program we're gone have to ask the question, well now based upon all of the evidence and based upon all of the stories that you've heard what kind of a decision do you want to make. And this is what life is all about, life is made up of decisions, and you have to decide, well should I do this circumcision or not. Should my babies be circumcised, should I join the anti-circumcision people, you know there is all of these questions that people have and I get about two hundred inquires a day on my web site, fax, telephone, and the reason for putting on these series of program on circumcision covers the many questions that people have concerning circumcision. Now, I'll say well go to the archives and you can pull out the entire story, I did a series of programs on this thing of circumcision and cover everything that I know about it, I'm XXX all of the evidence and I am making the presentation. Now going on he says however the evidence is that simple hygiene can prevent most of the problems once associated with uncircumcised men. Now this hygiene is an important factor for you to keep in mind. Remember the smegma story that we heard earlier, the foreskin over the penis develops bacteria up, underneath it and back, and if you can't pull it all the way back to clean it, to cleanse it, to wash it with soap and water. Now, picture this, you know we Americans take this pretty much for granted, we all have a shower, we have a shower in our bedroom, we have three bathrooms in our house, you know most of us, have more then, when I was a kid we had one bathroom in the house and no shower, and you took a bath once a week, once a week that was normal. I take a shower every morning. When I get up in the morning I go getting the shower, and I washed with soap, and I am pretty clean and healthy, and hygiene is important part of my life. But picture people living China where they don't even have a bathroom, and maybe they only bath once a month, or twice a year. Can you imagine how much bacteria, how much smegma will develop under that foreskin on that penis. Now, remember most of the men on the world are not circumcised, now can you begin to see the disease implications and complications that arise from penile cancer and AIDS and so on, and when you take a look at the facts, your chances of getting AIDS after being circumcised are much less, your chances of getting penile cancer after being circumcised are much less. Now, that's not to say that it's gonna cure cancer, epilepsy and all these other crazy concepts that were going on between 1860 and 1940. but never the less there are some side benefits that come from it. These are some of the factors that you should factor into your decision. Now, we haven't gotten to the religion, we haven't gotten to the Bible, we haven't looked at the Old Testament under the New, we're gonna do that, in the next two programs. For the moment we are gonna take a look, or I am aiming it what are all of the controversies about, how many controversies are there. You know, you got the Jews that come into the picture, the doctors, the rabbis, the Christians, the AMA, the pediatricians, the preachers, the researchers, you got the historians, many call it unnecessary surgery, you got the health aspects, and then today we are looking at what about malpractice, what about burning the penis clear off, what about amputating it, what about complications that come from, well the answer to that is it is very, very rare if you were to insist that it be done by a Jewish rabbi or a Jewish doctor, I can guarantee you that those boys know what they are doing, and the avoid, you know the sucking the blood out of it, and the sharp finger nail, you know the crazy religious aspects of it. Just get down to the clinical, you know, the doctor is gonna do this it's a Jew, he is a Jewish doctor and he's done this thousands of times, and we are not gonna to take all of the skin off, or just gonna take off the foreskin, we are gonna do it on the eight day. I have never heard of a complication coming from that program, not a one, never. Alright, it was once thought that uncircumcised men had a higher incidents of cancer of the penis, a disease which is rare in this country, studies of men in countries where living conditions allow for good hygiene show the rates for that cancer even in the uncircumcised match the rates here. Alright now, I am gonna pause here, remember we talked about that, this is a controversy. Some medical men claim that there is no difference in circumcised and uncircumcised in the number of penile cancers. In China where hygiene and circumcision are strangers to one another in China the cancer rate is 18% of cancer are penile cancer. So the difference is in the United States uncircumcised men keep cleaner, the smegma doesn't build up and so therefore it isn't as bigger problem, but it is a problem, as I pointed out take a look at the Jewish men, there's been four reported cases of Jewish men having penile cancer between 1932. and 2000. Four cases in America reported. You know that's a factor to way in on it, isn't it. Now the same thing happened to the Jews back in the middle ages the Jewish men, the Jewish people, period, were not infected by the Bubonic plaque. That doesn't mean that no Jews died from Bubonic plaque, but it was so rare, and the answer is, those people don't eat pig, fat, blood, and shellfish, their bodies are stronger, they are healthier people, and because of that they didn't get the Bubonic plaque, and the Christians wondering, go out and kill them because, you are not getting the plaque you must be poisoning our water. So, take that one away in your heart. So those advocating neonatal circumcision sometimes point to a study of British School boys which found that 50 of 69, of the uncircumcised boys in the study did not practice good hygiene. Now, a writer in one medical journal responded that poor dental hygiene does not justify prophylactic full mouth extractions, and 59 British school boys did not justify routine new born circumcision. Ok that's a point. I see the logic in that, and I agree with that. But I think that every boy should be instructed in how to keep his penis clean, whether he is circumcised or not, I mean that's just the way life is, we were taught when we were children not to drink out of somebody else's coke bottle, not because we thought the other guy had a disease, but because it's just good hygiene, and cleanliness and good hygiene makes for healthier people with less problems. Now, these 50 boys obviously weren't taught, I cannot believe, now there is people that are taught to be clean and go out and they practice filth anyway, my, I get reactions is these 50 British school boys simply weren't taught. I was taught, and I have done it all my life. Now, we are not talking about anything more complicating then washing with soap and water, conserned doctor Stanley Bloom a West Orange urologist, and that's what I am telling you. All you are talking here is soap and water, boys and girls. And somebody to instruct you, don't you remember your granny used to tell you, wash your elbows and wash your ears. Alright, well wash your penis. Doctor George Johnson an East Orange urologists said, that he occasionally gets cases of young men who are uncircumcised, become sexually active and experience fimosis, with some minor tearing or trauma to the foreskin which may require circumcision if the problem does not resolve itself. Even so when parents bring in a child who was not circumcised in infancy and ask for circumcision his advice is not to do it unless there is some physical problem. So there is a thought for the day. Hey listen, before I start on the next segment over here let me remind you that you are listening to the Law Hour, and I am your host George Gordon. The Law Hour is an educational service in the public interest sponsored by the Gordon Law School of Isabella Missouri. Now, all of these Law Hour programs are archived for your listening convenience on the internet on the georgegordon.org again that's georgegordon.org. And if you are brand new to the system over here, you just heard about this from somebody else, the archives have all of the programs that we have done on the number of subjects throughout the years, or through the years. And all you have to do is go to georgegordon.org on the internet click on to the archives and all of these programs, for instance this group of programs, there will be seven of them in the series on circumcision, look up circumcision, or look up the date that they were first aired and there is the seven programs in the series of circumcision, and we have them on AIDS, and the whole (hostern pattora)-XXX of other topics, georgegordon.org. You know, a 1970 the world food supply was 73 days for every man, woman, and child on planet earth, but today it's down to less than 38 days. Now the global 2000 mad scientist, philosophers, preachers and politicians plan to use famine, disease, plaque and pestilence to reduce the earth population by 80% over the next 50 years, under the club of Rome program. 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Alright, I got a letter here that was sent to a fellow by the name of Zangger, we'll take a look at Russell Zangger's letter here in a minute, but this one comes from the National Committee for prevention of child abuse, and it's a letter written to the reverend Zangger who is vilely-xxx opposed to circumcision, and it says thank you for sharing your point of view with us through our work with the international society for prevention of child abuse, we have come to realize that some child-rearing practices promoted by other countries seem from our cultural point of view, to fall within the bounce of what we would consider child abuse. Similarly, some Western practices which we take for granted such as circumcision are looked upon disfavorably by other cultures and seem almost to fit their definition of child abuse. Cultural and religious practices that are dissimilar from our own or often difficult to understand. The distinction between child abuse and a number of these cultural or religious practices does indeed pose many question. Now the national committee was or has not chosen up to now to develop a consensus from its board about the circumcision issue, we have also not chosen to take a position on the issue of abortion, a practice which some also identify as falling within the bounds or child abuse. We have purposely not taken such public stands because it is our belief that do so would create controversy and enbrel-xxx us in activities which would deter us from the defined goals of our organization, I'm forwarding to you a copy of our definition of child abuse there are many problems which need to be rectified and a problem of circumcision may be one of them. However with over a million children involved each year in serious physical abuse and neglect sexual abuse of emotional maltreatment, 2000 or more of which are dying from abuse we have chosen to limit our activities in those areas. We will continue to encourage other organizations to lead the fight in dealing with other important child-related issues, such as child care, safety, restraint, school, nutrition programs, and so on. Now we recognize your position is more and more being supported particularly in the medical community perhaps contacts with the American Academy of pediatrics would be fruitful for you best of luck, and then they signed it. This was a letter to Russell Zangger so the national committee for the prevention of child abuse their conclusion is that circumcision is a cultural and religious issue that goes beyond the scope of child abuse, and they are not going to complain about child-abuse coming from circumcision. Now this Reverend Russell Zangger sent me a letter, I'll share that letter with you. As I mentioned earlier I get a lot of mail, I get a lot of telephone calls and people call sometimes they're critical and sometimes are very supportive, now, and sometimes people are just asking for information, a little can you steer me in the right direction or what you think about this or that subject and so. Zangger sent me a letter, now he's already made up his mind he knows what he wants to do he's a preacher he is a Christian minister, preacher and he says that in his mind, he says no baby should be forced to endure another man's religion they should not be abused because of a bottomless gulf of nonsense, that's why I have been challenging our Christian leaders to preach from the New Testament so as to stop this crime of routine circumcision but for the most part they won't even admit there is anything wrong with being circumcise. Alright, now I want to pause there and tell you I am one of those, I am circumcised, I believe in circumcision, I practice it. I'm not advocating circumcision for you or anybody else, you have to make that decision for yourself, I'm not here to make other people's decisions for them, I have a big enough job in life making my own decisions without involving myself in trying to make decisions for you. And if you can't make that decision for yourself than you need another master, cause I'm not the guy. But I disagree with paragraph number one, first of all my children are a part and part of my religion. And I was a part and part of my father's religion, and my father's religion was his boys get circumcised and I was circumcised, now, at some point in time I decided that my dad's religion wasn't for me, which I decided, that it wasn't for me. But the circumcision part of it I agreed with, and so I stuck with it, and you can make the same decision and if you come to the conclusion that it's a bad and wrong and you are not going to do it, well then that's your choice to make. I am not going to criticize you for making the wrong choice, but I got to share with you a quickie. One of my sons, stepsons is not circumcised and at the Passover which we do here at the school every year, we do the Passover with a lamb, and he came to doing the Passover and I pointed out to him that Exodus 12 requires that everybody be circumcised that's doing the Passover, and he said, well I subscribe to the New Testament view that circumcision has been abolished, And I said well that's fine, then what you need to do is to go practice the Passover with another group of people of like mind who believe that circumcision has been abolished and do the Passover with them, because this group believes the circumcision has not been abolished, and we have to practice circumcision and you can't practice the Passover without being circumcised. Now, Eden write Exodus Chapter 12, I just believe that it means what it says and says what it means, and so that's what I practice. Some people criticize me and they say, you're nut. Ok, I'm a nut, some people think Catholics are nuts, so ok, so Catholics are nuts. But Catholics have a right to practice their religion and we leave them alone don't we. And we leave the Methodists and the Baptists and everybody else and the Moslems lonely, they go out and they do their nutty religious things, so why are you upset or uptight about me George Gordon doing his nutty religious thing, there's other people out there doing their nutty religious things, so why can't I do mine nutty religious things, see how simple that is. And I am not holding any spirit of animosity toward anybody, I don't care what you do, it is not going to impact upon me, I believe in freedom of religion I just want you to let me to be free to do my religion like I'm going to let you do yours, so simple that is. Now he goes on, this is Reverend Zangger here, and if he is opposed to circumcision more power time, I'm not, you know, holding a gun to his head saying hey listen, you now start cutting it off. He has his view and in the judgment he can come up and he can explain to God, life and direct personally, just look him right in the eye ball and say, you know, you made a mistake when you got that circumcision program going with Abraham. Let Zangger and God duke it out, that's not my complaint, that's not my problem in life. When I come up in the judgment and God says hey Gordon come over here I want to talk to you for a minute, I want to be able to say, boss you told me to do circumcision and I did it, and it sounded like a pretty good plan to me so I performed on. Now maybe he says while I repealed in the New Testament, I'll say gee I missed it. I missed it totally, I study to show myself approved and I search the Scriptures and I couldn't find any place in the New Testament where you repeal it. Could you point out to the rescission statute, could you show me that, where you repealed it. I missed that boss. And here is the worst thing that can happened, lets suppose that it was repealed, circumcision must have been a good practice back in the days of Moses and at some later point it became a bad practice. Well can you point to the time when it became a bad practice, was it during the David's time, or maybe Solomon's time, or maybe it was Ezekiel's, or you know, maybe it was in Jesus? time you know, when did this circumcision law become wicked evil, bad and terrible, and awful and we shouldn't do it anymore. Moses did it, and Joshua did it, everybody seemed to get along with it, and it seem to be fine, and so if it was good then my contention is that's probably just as good day and even if it's been repealed, lets suppose for the sake of our discussion, God says, you know I repealed that and you don't have to do it anymore. Well my dad and I had a little running over that, he instructed me one time to mow the grass, and I didn't mow the grass, and so he took me in and whipped me soundly, and sent me out to do the grass. Now, I was a very precocious child and I could learn very rapidly, pain is very discomforting, and I went out and mowed the grass and from then on when dad said mow the grass, I went out and mowed the grass. Well one time he told me the mow the grass and I mowed the front grass, and I mowed the back lawn, dad came home and he really was pleased and he said, son I can't believe you did it, you mowed the backyard without being told. And I said, gee dad I thought you told me to do the backyard, no, no I only told you to mow the front yard but I'm really pleased with you that you mow the backyard. Now, you can rest assured, I never made that mistake again You know, but at that time I thought he told me to do that, now he did not punish me for going too far and mowing both the front and backyard, I find that hard to believe that God is going to punish you because you went too far and you practice circumcision even though it was repealed and you didn't have to. But just in case it's not repealed, maybe some of these guys have made a mistake, maybe the New Testament doesn't repealed circumcision and we'll take a look at that, then if you don't practice it, you know, you can get into trouble for not doing what you were told, and I think there's a greater risk of punishment for not doing what you are instructed to do, than there is in doing something that you no longer had to do or, or not instructed to do. Zangger goes on, he says I've never received a bad letter from a doctor about my work but I can count on one hand the good letters that I've received from Christian ministers. Most are very negative and refuse to admit that it is child abuse. Well I am not a Christian minister but I read your letter here from the child-abuse people themselves and they refuse to recognize it is child-abuse, there isn't a state in the Union, in the United States that recognize circumcision as child-abuse. The Jews don't think that it's child-abuse, and George Gordon doesn't think it's child-abuse, but I'm not opposed to this guy Zangger, if he thinks it is child-abuse and he doesn't want to practice it, there isn't anybody out here forcing him to do that, he has free choice doesn't he, he has a right to make his choice. Now I don't believe that my dad practiced child-abuse on me by having me circumcised, it happened that it was my grandmother that instructed the doctor, you know, you make sure that you just take off the foreskin and you don't take off too much of there doc. And the same thing now that occurred to me I'm not ready to bring a suit against my grandmother or against my dad or the doctor, or anybody else for abusing me, I don't believe that I was abused. He goes on to say they're all, they are all so wrapped up in the Old Testament, the Jewish Bible. I'm not sure that the Old Testament is the Jewish Bible. I don't believe that for a moment, I think that that's an instruction for all of mankind. I think it applies to Chinamen just as much as it does Americans and British and Christians and Moslems and everybody else. I think that the law that says, thou shalt not steal is just as binding on the Chinese, Mexicans and Americans, as it is upon Christians, Muslims and Buddhists. And the same thing with adultery and idolatry and coveting and everything else. Evidently this guy doesn't believe that. And then he says that these Christian preachers they refuse to quote from the New Testament were both Christ and Paul pled with the reader to paid no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth. Well as I pointed out I looked all through the New Testament, I couldn't find any repealing of circumcision, I can't find anywhere in the Bible were any law has been repealed, if you know of such a statute that repeals 1 Jotter or one title of the Scripture would you please write me a letter, fax or e-mail and point that out to me. Now there is 1189 chapters in the Bible, I've read them all, more than once. I don't claim to be a Bible scholar I've never been the seminary I'm just a former, I'm general contractor, a plumbing contractor, a boiler contractor, I'm familiar with the trades, I'm familiar with work, and I can go out and milk a cow, and I've got a little common sense left and I can still read and write, I can read the Bible just like anybody else, I apply the rules to it, and I can't find it. I don't think it's there, but I could be wrong, and if I'm wrong point it out to me. Zangger goes on to say, let me retype part of a letter that I just received from a Christian minister and you'll see what I mean, he said, as I've remarked to you before Russell arguments directed to Palest Christians, have it best little swing power with me and more often than not arouse antagonism in my view Paul-Saul of Tarsus was an opportunist who took control of the scattered followers of Jesus, overcame opposition by means of his Greek taught skill and disputation and founded a church which he controlled and which was controlled by his followers after he died. If to be a Christian means to be a Palest in persecutions and I'm not a Christian, and neither was Yeshua. Ok, now there is a split in Christian ranks over this thing of Pauline theology, and many people reject the writings of Paul. And then are many people reject the New Testament and many people reject the Old Testament. Well my conclusion is this, Jesus said man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Now the Scripture and Jesus purported that the Scripture was inspired by God, every word of it. Now Paul wrote 14 books in the New Testament 14 letters and pieces of the Scripture and has fallen far as I can tell from all of my research, it's a part and parcel with the Scripture and I think that the Old Testament and the New Testament work together, that's my conclusion based upon my analysis. Now if my analysis is correct than Paul has, every word that proceeded out of the mouth of Paul is Scripture and it has to be followed, and every word that proceeded out of the mouth of the Messiah is Scripture and it has to be followed, and every word that proceeded out of the mouth of Moses, and Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah and all of the other writers, there is 26 writers or 24, or 26 writers of the Scripture, every one of those writers wrote under inspiration of the Holy Spirit and each and everyone of those is a requirement to be fallowed. Man doesn't live by bread alone but by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God. Presuming that that statement is true and in a red letter Bible it's ordered by Jesus himself well then, I don't see why we should follow that. Now these people find that there are apparent contradictions in the Scripture, which we're going to covered next time, these contradictions need to be resolved judicially. This Christian preacher and Zengger are a loggerheads over their construction of, or their interpretation of Scripture and the Scripture is of no private interpretation, and the minute you start interpreting the Scripture you get off track and you fall outside the bounds of structural code bleeding. Now the Bible has to be code pled in the same way that any law any statute any legal system has to be code pled because it's in code, all law is written in code if it wasn't in code it wouldn't be law. So we'll take that up and I'll show you. Now we're going to take a look at the old covenant next time, I'm here to my last 10 minutes here, and we're going to take a look at the contract itself and I'll take you through, and we'll take a look at the contract and the Old Testament and the New Testament, and I don't see any conflict whatsoever in circumcision between the Old and the New. I see 100% perfect harmony Paul never advocated the abolition of a single Old Testament law, not a one, including circumcision. Paul was circumcised, Paul practiced circumcision and he advocated circumcision. Now that doesn't mean that everybody has to be circumcised, there are some exceptions to the rule and there are reasons why you should be circumcised and there are reasons why you should not be circumcised. But as a general rule you should be circumcised. So if you take a look at it from the Scriptural perspective I don't think there is conflict at all. The conflict occurs between religious people. The conflict occurs between Jews and Christians and Moslems and Buddhists and people who want to argue and fight and debate and scratch and, you know, pall the ground and bite the bushes, and they're just looking for a fight. Now these preachers over here they fight among themselves constantly, I contend to want to stay out of there, their complaints and their fights. Now repeatedly your material makes anti-Jewish allusions comments and charges and you should realize that when Sauler Paul and Titus 110 spoke of day of the circumcision he referred to the anti-Paul faction in the post-crucifixion fateful. These are the arguments that are being raised here by the pro-circumcision forces today against the anti-circumcision forces of today. Get these two groups fighting like the pro-abortion and the anti-abortion groups. Who ever goes to the Scripture to reconcile all of the Scripture's dealing with abortion whoever goes to the Scripture to reconcile all of the Scripture's concerning circumcision. Did it ever occurred to us to go to a concordance and find out how many times in the Scripture does the word circumcision appear, and then look up each and every one of them, photocopy them, put them all down on a piece of paper and read them all so that we know what the whole story is. And here is what the problem is that I'm looking at here. These people don't have the whole story of circumcision. Zangger doesn't have the whole story and neither does this anti-Paul Christian, he doesn't have the whole story either. And when the blind lead the blind they both fall in the ditch. So you got two fools arguing over something that they don't know anything about. Well I shouldn't say they don't know anything, they know a little bit, but they don't have the whole story. Now as a jurist you sitting here listening to me now as a jurist have a duty to get all the facts and then make a decision based upon those facts. You'll come to the right conclusion every time if I give you all the facts and then you way all of those facts you will make the right decision all the time. how can you miss? You are going to make the decision in your own self-interest, you are going to make the best decision in your best self-interest, everybody does, and you won't make a mistake, nobody ever hated himself, nobody ever decided that he was going to harm himself. Now, I know there's a few guys that go out and commit suicide, but lets leave those guys out of the discussion. Normal rational people don't cut themselves, normal rational people don't burn themselves, and normal rational people when they have to make a decision, will make the decision that's based upon their best interest. Now, Zangger goes on he says, I've been working so hard to reach the Christian leaders with this message of love because I feel it would, I feel it would be the very best way of reaching the most people in the shortest time. There have been so many parents who went through the tragic experience of having mutilated their sons only to find out too late that it was all so needless. There is such a need for parents to be better informed and I feel the Christian Church is responsible for the darkness that we have been in. Well ok. Well don't work for me because I haven't been abused and I haven't been put upon. Now if you want to reach all these people are here I'm doing my part Mr. Zangger to help reach these people with this message, so that they can make an informed decision. Now I've got my opinion, and I've got my practice. Every judge has his opinion, and he has his practice. Well what we are going to do is present the facts to you people out there at radio land, and then you decide for yourself, what is the best decision for me to make. And I receive this question over circumcision over and over and over again, which prompts me when I, when I get a number of calls and on a particular topic, then I say well lets go research it out, and lets see if we can come to a conclusion, what's the answer to this. So in the case of Zangger here I disagree with Zangger's conclusion that circumcision is unscriptural that it's bad, wicked, terrible, awful and evil and that we shouldn't practice it anymore, and that its Old Testament stuff and the Old Testament are evidently from his point of view has been abolished repealed and done away with. I could find that. I didn't find that when Jesus said, think not that I have come to destroy the Law or the prophets. The circumcision law is a law. I can't find where Jesus ever said okay gather around boys and girls we're going to repeal all these laws from Moses, they are bad laws and we're going to change that now. I didn't see that. I see were the Messiah said the man does not live by bread alone but by every word the proceeds out of the mouth of God. Think not that I've come to destroy the law of the prophets. I can find those and about 10 others and I'll share those with the next time. So the next round let's take a look at the Old Testament, now that we've examined all of the people that are involved in all of their complaints all, of their histories, all of their theories, now lets go to the Bible itself, and we'll start with Genesis 17 with a contract, the contract that God made with Abraham, and we'll analyze that contract and we'll see well what is this contract for. What are, what is the intent of the lawmakers, do you have any duty today to follow that law today, in a 21st century. And then we'll see if we can lead you toward a conclusion and you can make up your mind.
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Let's take a look at the old covenant contract, the contract which was originally drawn up between God Almighty himself and Abraham. This contract is recorded in Genesis 17:1-27, the controversy is over circumcision. So far we've taken a look at this question of circumcision and we've seen that there is a controversy between the Jews, the doctors, the rabbis, the Christians, the AMA, the pediatricians, the preachers, researchers, historians and none of these people can agree on anything. They couldn't even agree on where to go for lunch. That's what we have seen so far. Some of these people cite the Bible, some of them cite the New Testament, some of them cite the Old Testament, some of them cite both. In order to come to a logical conclusion, so that you and I can make a decision as to whether or not we should practice circumcision.
We've seen the evidence from medicine, the Jews, the doctors, the rabbis, the Christians, and the AMA. We've seen their evidence, we've seen their testimony, but what we haven't looked at yet is, the Bible itself. We've heard what people say about the Bible, about God, and about circumcision, but we haven't gone to the testator, nor to the people who made the contract — that's Abraham and God. Those are the two guys that made the contract, and as a matter of law, what we are interested in here is, what is the intent of these lawmakers. There is a contract, it has an offer with acceptance over time with consideration, and here it is recorded in Genesis 17:1-27.
And when Abraham was 90 years old and nine, he is 99 years old, the eternal appeared under Abraham and he said to him, I am the Almighty God, walk before me and be thou perfect, and I will make my covenant between me and thy children.
A covenant is a contract. I am making a tender offer to you, is what God
is telling him, and I will multiply thee exceedingly.
One of the
benefits of this contract is: I'm going to multiply you, you're going to
have many children. Abraham fell on his face and God talked with him
saying: As for me, behold my covenant is with you, and you shall be a
father of many nations, neither shall your name anymore be called Abram,
but thy name shall be Abraham.
The second facet to the contract is: we are going to change your name.
For a father of many nations have I made thee, and I will make thee
exceedingly fruitful and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come
out of thee.
Benefit number three: he's going to be a king of kings. So, many kings
are going to descend from Abraham, and I will establish my covenant
between me and thee, and with thy seed after thee in their generations for
an everlasting covenant.
Facet number four: this contract is made
between God and Abraham and all of the children that descend from Abraham,
for an everlasting contract. Everlasting is eternal, eternal is forever. I
don't know how long forever is, but I do know that forever is not up yet.
This contract is still in full force and effect. And he went on to say: I'm
going to do this as an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto you, to be a
sovereign unto you and to your seed after you. Facet number five: he is
going to be God a sovereign, and I will give to you.
Sovereign, by the way, is a lawmaker, I am going to be your lawmaker,
I'm going to be the Congress, and I will give unto you and to your seed
after you the land wherein you are a stranger, all of the land of Canaan
for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.
I am going to
be the sovereign, and I'm giving you this piece of real estate. Alright, so
there is a real estate, number six. And God said to Abraham: you shall
keep my covenant, therefore, you and your seed after you in their
generations.
This is the covenant which you shall keep between me and
you and your seed after you. Every man child among you shall be circumcised
and you shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin and it shall be a token
of the covenant between me and you.
So, everyone who was circumcised, then, is going to produce evidence in his flesh, that he is a member of a participant in this contract. If you don't wear this covenant sign, then you're not one of the participants in this contract. And he said:
he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you every man child in your generations. He that is born in the house or bought with money of a stranger, which is not of your seed, so if you buy a slave, you circumcise him. He that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money must needs be circumcised and my covenant shall be in your flash for an everlasting covenant, and the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people. He has broken my covenant. And God said unto Abraham as for Sarai thy wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be, and I will bless her and give you a son also of her, Yea, I will bless her and she shall be a mother of nations, kings and people shall be of her. Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed and said in his heart: shall a child be borne unto him that is a hundred years old, and shall Sarah, that is 90 years old, bear, and Abraham said to God, oh that Ishmael might live before thee, and God said: Sarah, thy wife, shall bear you a son indeed and you shall call his name Isaac, and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant and with his seed after him. And, as for Ishmael, I have heard you, behold I have blessed him and I will make him fruitful and I will multiply him exceedingly, 12 princes shall he be yet and I will make him a great nation, but my covenant will I establish with Isaac which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. And he left off talking with him and God went up from Abraham, and Abraham took Ishmael and his son, and all that were born in his house and all that were bought with money: every male among the men of Abraham's house. And he circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day as God it set time, and Abraham was 90 years old and 9, he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
Now, I want to pause right here. You'll notice that one of the authors of the stories that we've read said that Abraham circumcised himself. There is nothing here in this narrative that says that Abraham took a knife and reached down circumcised himself, it says he was circumcised. It says he circumcised Ishmael. Earlier, in Genesis, we find that Abraham had 318 servants. I presume that at least half or more of them were men, and that those servants were all circumcised. Ishmael is the progenitor of the Arabs, that's why Arabs practice circumcision to this day. Now the Arabs have taken up the Moslem religion, so the Arabs are Muslims. They practice circumcision and they got it right here from Abraham, it came from their progenitor Ishmael. And Ishmael his son was 13 years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, in the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised and Ishmael his son and all the men of his house, born in the house and bought with money of the stranger was circumcised with them. You see here that Ishmael was circumcised when he was 13. The Arabs practiced circumcision anywhere between age 2 or 3 and 12. The Israelites, the descendents of Isaac, practiced the eighth day circumcision. In Genesis 21:1-4, and the Eternal visited Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as he had spoken, for Sarah conceived and bore Abraham a son in his old age at the set time of which God it spoken to him, and Abraham called the name of his son Isaac, that was born under him. Sarah bore to him Isaac and Abraham circumcised his son, Isaac, being eight days old as God had commanded him. So here's Isaac circumcised on the eighth day. It could be that circumcision is older than Abraham. But you don't want to remember that prior to Abraham, prior to the flood, Noah was practicing sacrifices, Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean meat. Murder was against the law. Cain killed Abel. All of the 10 Commandments were in full force and effect in the antediluvian world and there is no reason to believe or suspect that they were not practicing circumcision from the garden of Eden forward. There is no story in the Bible that tells us that. However, if Noah was pure in his generations and Noah was righteous before God and if, as a matter of fact there was circumcision before Abraham, it would make all the sense in the world that Noah was circumcised and so was Shem. And Abraham was not circumcised. We know that when God told him to circumcise himself, he did, and all of his household. And he entered into a special covenant, a special contract, not just with Abraham but with all of his descendents from that moment on.
Now, all of the tribes of Israel comprise more than just the people who
call themselves Jews today: the people of France, Great Britain, Ireland,
Scotland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Finland, Norway Scotland, Sweden,
Denmark, Switzerland, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the
United States. There is where all of the tribes of Israel are located. The
people who call themselves Jews over in Palestine are not Israelites. There
are a few Israelites in that group, but primarily they are descended from
Edom. We've talked about that before. I won't cover that here, but all of
these Israelites, every one of you who is descended from Abraham, is under
the terms and conditions of this contract. If you're not circumcised, then
you're not under this contract. See how simple that is? The choice is
yours. You do not have to become circumcised, but if you're not circumcised
you can't participate in the benefits that come from the contract. That's
all, no hard feelings. Deuteronomy 32 tells you to choose, whether you want
to follow God or you want to follow Baal. Now, Moses comes onto the scene
in Exodus 12:44 but every man's servant that is bought for money when you
have circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof. Well, when you buy
somebody, then you circumcise him, that's a part of the contract with
Abraham, we just read that. In Exodus 12:48: and when a stranger shall
sojourn with thee, and shall keep the Passover to the Eternal, let all of
his males be circumcised, and then let them come near and keep it, and he
shall be as one that is born in the land, for no uncircumcised person shall
eat thereof.
Very important statute. When we get to the New Testament
tomorrow we'll take a look at that concept, right there. Can you
participate in the covenant under the Mosaic law without practicing the
Passover? And then can you practice the Passover without being circumcised?
With that statute in mind when we get the New Testament tomorrow night, I
think it will become crystal clear, there is no law that requires you to be
circumcised. Circumcision as a matter of free choice. If you're not
circumcised and you don't want to be circumcised that's fine, that's a
choice that you made. But you can't participate in the contract, that's
all. So if you want to participate in Social Security you've got to join
Social Security, but there's no law that requires you to join Social
Security, it's a matter of free choice. And for most Americans, they're
signed up for Social Security, they are signed up under that contract when
they are babies. Now, you don't call that child abuse, do you? Alright now,
when you sign up under this contract here you circumcise your male children
on the eighth day and they're signed up under the terms of the contract.
And you sign them up. Now if when they get to be 18 and they don't want to
perform under the terms and conditions of the contract, well then that's a
choice for them to make. But you've signed them up, and the law requires
that you sign them up, and that you sign them up on the eighth day, and if
they're not signed up they cannot participate in the Passover, I mentioned
that to you last time, I've got a boy. He is not circumcised and he said
that he believed in the New Testament, and he believed that circumcision
had been abolished, repealed, done away with, and he didn't want to get
circumcised, I said fine, that's a choice that you made, you made your
choice, go live with it. Then he wanted to come and do the Passover with us
and the rest of family, and I said no circumcision and no Passover here.
You need to go practice the Passover with the uncircumcised, and then take
that up with God and the judgment, not with me. Now, I've been accused of
being a strict fundamentalist. Well, what am I supposed to do, be something
less than a strict fundamentalist and follow after this guy Zangger. Don't
circumcise the children, don't practice these laws, and then when I come up
in the judgment what did you want me to tell God? Give Him the finger and
tell Him to stick it where there's no daylight? I'll tell you, why don't
you give God the finger and tell him to stick it where there is no
daylight, and let me stand off to the side and watch what happens to you.
Let me watch you first and then if it turns out alright maybe I'll consider
your move. Meanwhile, back on the farm, I think that if I follow these
instructions I'm going to come out of this deal a lot better off.
Now let's take a look at Leviticus 12:1-4: the Eternal spoke unto Moses,
saying, speak unto the children of Israel, saying that if a woman has
conceived, seed and born a man child than she shall be unclean seven days
according to the days of the separation for her infirmity she shall be
unclean and in the eighth day, the flesh of his foreskin shall be
circumcised, and she shall then continue in the blood of a purifying 3 and
30 days and she shall touch no hollow or come into the sanctuary until the
days of her purifying be fulfilled. So, there are the statutes, there are
three of them, Moses gave us Exodus 12:44, Exodus 12:48, Leviticus 12:1-4.
Three statutes along with the covenant, the covenant is located in Genesis
17:1-27. There is an example of Isaac being circumcised on the eighth day
in Genesis 21:1-4. Now in Joshua 5:2-9, one of these Christian writers, or
one of these theologians brought this subject up, he said, they evidently
didn't practice circumcision during their wandering and the wilderness,
which is true, they didn't practice circumcision. After Moses died, Joshua
took over, and in Joshua 5:2-9 here's the story: At that time the
eternal said to Joshua, make thee sharp knives and circumcise again the
children of Israel the second time.
Now, I am going to pause right here
because the author of that article that we read here a couple of nights
ago, said that under Moses he prohibited circumcision, and under Joshua he
reinstituted it, and I'm here to tell you that Joshua did not reinstitute
circumcision, and Moses didn't terminate it. Both Moses and Joshua took
their instructions directly from God himself. The people said in Exodus
24:7,8: all that the eternal has said, we will do and be obedient.
We will do what you tell us Moses, but we don't want God talking to us, we
want you to go to talk to God and you come give us his message. The people
were just scared to death of God talking to them, he has loud voice and he
scared them. So, right here in Joshua 5:2-9, in the very first statement,
it was God that told Joshua go make thee sharp knives and circumcise again
the children of Israel the second time, and Joshua made him sharp knives
and circumcised the children of Israel with the foreskins, and this is the
cause why Joshua did circumcise, all the people that came out of Egypt that
were males, even all the men of war died in the wilderness by the way,
after they came out of Egypt. Now all of the people that came out were
circumcised. Alright now, the people were practicing circumcision in Egypt,
and all the people that came out of Egypt were circumcised, they were
practicing it there. You see when Jacob went down into Egypt at the time of
the great famine when Joseph was the ruler over Egypt, he went down there
with 70 people. All 70 of them are named in the Scripture and those 70
people were all circumcised, they were practicing circumcision from
Abraham. The people, when they were in captivity in Egypt, were practicing
circumcision and no doubt the Egyptians picked up on that. Because we saw a
hieroglyphic here at some time in Egypt's past where the Egyptians were
practicing circumcision. Whether they picked up on that from Noah and some
of his descendents, or whether they picked up on it from a Jacob and the
Israelites in Egypt it's unclear, we don't know. Whether there was
circumcision prior to Abraham we do not know with certainty. But we do know
that beginning with Abraham circumcision began for all Israelites, not
gentiles. This covenant is not made with Chinamen, this covenant isn't made
with the Japanese, it isn't made with the blacks in Africa, this covenant
is made with Abraham and his sons and the kings and all of the descendents
that came from Abraham, which includes the Arabs and the Arabs all practice
circumcision to this day. Now, we Christians in the Christian world have
been practicing circumcision because we're Israelites. Now, my historical
references show me that circumcision was practiced in Carthage,
circumcision was practiced here in the New World, everywhere Israelites
have gone over the past 3000 years they have taken circumcision with them.
The concept that circumcision is Jewish and that all Israel are Jews is
faulty. Now I have covered that before, there are 12 tribes of Israel not
one, the Jews represent one tribe of Israel not twelve. Even if the people
in Israel today and all of the Jews around the world are in fact the Jews,
they only comprise 1/12 there is still 11/12 out there and that 11/12 also
practice circumcision. So anywhere where you find white Anglo-Saxons
practicing circumcision, Israelites practicing circumcision, you'll find
that there is a route that goes back to Abraham. Now Joshua comes out here
as they, as they're about to enter into the Promised Land all the people
that came out of Egypt that were males, even all the men of war died in the
wilderness, by the way, after they came out of Egypt. Now all the people
that came out were circumcised but all the people that were born in the
wilderness by the way as they came forth out of Egypt they had not been
circumcised. Now there is no statute or historical reference that says that
God told Moses to stop circumcision while you are in the wilderness, they
had been practicing circumcision in Egypt. Well, they would have continued
practicing it unless Moses had told them to stop, so God must've told Moses
don't circumcise these people out here in the wilderness. But there's
nothing in the Scripture that I've ever seen that gives us that historical
way mark. It's a conclusion that you draw from this text. For the children
of Israel walked 40 years in the wilderness until all the people that we
are men of war which came out of Egypt were consumed, because they obeyed
not the voice of the Eternal. So evidently, when that rebellion transpired,
God said, well we are not going to circumcise you any more because I am
going to cut you people off from this covenant, and I am going to take your
children in. Now, lets suppose that we came up to the mountain of Gilgal,
or Mount Gilgal, there were, no doubt some people had said, hell no, I'm
not going on, I am not going to go through this circumcision, in which case
than they covenant calls for those people to be cut off from the covenant,
that's all. That doesn't mean that you're going to die, that doesn't mean
that you are going to go to hell, it means you can have the benefits that
come from the covenant that God made with Abraham and the covenant as we'll
see a little later on, that he made with Moses and the people of Israel.
Circumcision is a matter of free choice. Now, somebody is going to say, yes
it's free choice for you, but it isn't free choice for the baby. Listen,
you don't allow your children free choice on inoculations, you take your
children in when they are babies and shoot them up with snake venom and
monkey pus, and give them every kind of disease that you can imagine.
There's no free choice there. Now, you let those children grow up, I've got
a 16-year-old daughter in here, she has never had a vaccination, when she
gets to be 18 years old she can emancipate herself and rush off to the
doctor and get all the vaccinations, and get shot up with all the snake
venom and monkey pus that she wants, the choice is for her to make. I hope
she will make the right choices and avoids it, but then that's her choice.
I made the choice for her: no vaccinations, and had she been a male I would
have made the choice for her, we're going to bring you into the covenant,
we are going to circumcise you. Now, she comes under the terms of the
covenant which all females do, she doesn't need to be circumcised in order
to accomplish that goal. So the people in the wilderness all of the
children were born out there were not circumcised until they got to Gilgal,
and the Eternal and the children of Israel whom he raised up in their stead
whom Joshua circumcised for they were uncircumcised because they had not
circumcised them by the way, and it came to pass when they had done
circumcising all the people that they abode in their places in the camp,
till they were whole, so that was probably two or three weeks, and then the
Eternal said to Joshua, this day have I rolled away the reproach of Egypt
from off of you, where for the name of the place is called Gilgal unto this
day, that's recorded in Joshua 5:2-9. So these people had a choice, all of
the children born in the wilderness had a choice. Do I want to get
circumcised today or not, no doubt there were a few that said no, most of
them said yes. I want to participate in this contract, I think it's pretty
a good deal.
Alright, let me take a little break here, and remind you that you're listening to Law Hour, I am your host George Gordon. Now the Law Hour is an educational service in the public interest, it is sponsored by the Gordon Law school and all of this Law Hour programs are archived for your listening convenience on the Internet at www.georgegordon.org . You know, back in 1970 our food supply was 73 days for every man, woman and child on the planet today it's down to 38 days or less. And you know we Americans produce grain for export and then we take our grapes from Chile, tomatoes from Mexico and berries from Guatemala and our food supplies are in the hands of foreigners and multinational corporations who support this global 2000 population reduction program. Now the genocide, this genocidal policy of global 2000 and New World order are the greatest threats to our lives, our liberties and our property since Noah's flood. And that's not just my opinion. 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Remember my subsistence and survival school is also available on compact disc for done home study if you are online go to the website it's georgegordon.org and send an email request for that general law CD package that's georgegordon.org or call direct 417-273-4967. Talking about circumcision. After of the Israelites finished their job in conquering the Palestinian area driving out Canaanites, Hittites, parasites and so on, we practice circumcision it's mentioned many times through the Old Testament. There are no complaints from anybody that I know of where the Old Testament law concerning circumcision is contested. In other words, everybody is in agreement that in the Old Testament circumcision was the law of the land and since it was the law of the land everybody practiced it, it was good and everybody participated that wanted to, now remember the statute said that if you weren't circumcised you couldn't participate in the Passover, if you weren't circumcised you were to be cut off from your people. That means that they were going to put you outside the terms of the contract, when you are not going to participate, now I'm cut off from my people you know, I have rescinded my Social Security number, I am no longer a part or parcel with the system that we call the security blanket, the safety net, Social Security, retirement. That's alright with me that's a choice that I made, I'm cut off. Under this old covenant people could cut themselves off, I don't want to participate in the Law of Moses, I don't want to participate in the sacrificial system, I don't want to participate in the system or society around them, and the people would cut them off, they wouldn't deal with them, they wouldn't trade with them, they would have anything to do with them. So, that way people treat me, they look at me and they say, you know, you are some kind of an oddball, you are a peculiar fellow, you know, you don't pay income tax and Social Security and participate in the system, you know, you are an anarchist, I'm sometimes called. No, I am not an anarchist I participate in, I practiced the law of Moses, I practice this old covenant. That's the choice that we have, you can practice the law of the United States or you can practice the law of God. I chose the law of God. I think it's a better program. That's a choice for you make. That's a decision for you to come up with. I am not here to tell you do it, not everybody can participate in this program. And let me show you why. The common denominator under Christian philosophy and theology is that the New Testament nullifies the Old Testament, that somewhere in the New Testament the law of God has been abrogated, it has been rescinded and done away with. I dissent from that opinion, and the reason that I dissent from starts with Matthew 5:17-20. Now the lawyer over here cited this very scripture do you remember that, Morris the lawyer, and he said, you know, you people cite that scripture and then you can just prove anything by the Bible. You know if that was true if I could just pick up the Bible and cite anything I wanted and prove anything I wanted, well than the Bible has to be the most disorganized twisted piece of nonsense that's ever been written. Now the scripture is written, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little, many are called few are chosen, and it's written in code. Now let's just take a look at the Messiah and the New Testament the argument has been advanced that Jesus abolished the old covenant, the Old Testament, this old law and when he did that he freed you from circumcision. Well Jesus didn't say that in fact he said the exact opposite, he said, think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets, I've not come to destroy but to fulfill, for truly I say until heaven and earth pass, not one jot or one title. Now a jot is a dotted i, and a tattle is a crossed t, shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled, and whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whosoever shall do and teach them the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven, for I say into you that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Now I hear people telling me all the time they want to go to heaven, I don't want to go to heaven, I am not one of those. If you want to go to heaven that's fine with me, don't let me get in the way of your happiness and success, I do not want to go to heaven, I want to stay to hell away from heaven as far as I can get. Now the Messiah said plainly that he didn't come to destroy the law he didn't come to destroy the prophets he said he came to fulfill the Law and the prophets. Now Jesus was circumcised in Luke 2:21 as the recording of his circumcision on the eighth day. Jesus practiced and fulfilled all of this Old Testament law including circumcision. In John chapter 13:13-15 it says that he came to set us an example that we ought to follow, the example in that specific instance is the example of the Passover, he is practicing the Passover, some elements of the Passover, and he said that I'm setting you an example that you ought to do to one another. Over here in Matthew 5:17-20 he says anybody who teaches against this I am going to call him least in the Kingdom, if you do I'm going to make you the dog catcher instead of the mayor, but if you do and teach these least commandments, and let's presume that circumcision is one of the least commandments, I'll call you great in the kingdom. So I thought well and my common sense says did you want to be the least or the greatest, it's a choice for you to make, if you want to be the least in the kingdom I would suggest that you teach against circumcision, it's a good place to start. Why don't you teach against this law if you want to become the least in the kingdom, if you want to become the greatest in the kingdom maybe Leviticus 19:19 doesn't as bad as it sounds, so I am going to flip over here to Leviticus 19:19 and there is this odd statute, that says you shall keep my statutes, you shall not let your cattle gender or breed with a diverse kind, you shall not sow your seed with mingled seed, no hybrids, and neither shall the garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon you. Why don't you go out and teach people to crossbreed their cattle, plant hybridize seed, maybe genetically modified seed would be even better, and then want to tell him to wear socks that are 85% cotton and 15% nylon, go out and teach people to do that. I've never seen anybody have a problem with the violation of that statute and I'm not quite sure that the people have even been informed of it, typically if I say, well is that mingled fabric they look at you like ha. Yeah, is that fabric mixed with something else, oh yeah, yeah it's mixed with a linen or it's mixed with cotton and nylon, typically is the mixture, and people will kind of point that out with pride, and they'll say you see it's a really good quality stuff, you know it's mingled, and I tell them, I don't buy that, it's against the law. And they look at you like you're murk for murk. Jesus said he was not going, how do you work that, he said, I came to fulfill for verily I'll send you till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. And I had a guy tell me one-time he said, see, Jesus fulfilled the law so therefore it's done away with, abolished, repealed. What does that term all be fulfilled mean, does it mean that, is that the repealing statute, is that what we are talking about here, then this whole law has been repealed, let me think about this for a minute. Let's suppose the governor of our state Bill Holden gets in the company limousine and drives the state limousine from Jefferson City to Springfield, he's got two highway patrolman in front of him and two behind him, and they are watching him every step of the way. Now he's got the car licensed, registered and insured, there is an inspection sticker, his license is up-to-date he stops at all the stop signs, drives on the right side of the road, polls in the Holiday Inn in Springfield and he gets out and he says, I've set you an example, I have obeyed all the traffic laws of the State of Missouri and I drove 200 miles to show you how to do it, and set you an example. Do you come to the conclusion now that the traffic laws of Missouri have been repealed and now you can drive to school zones at hundred and ten, you can drive on the left hand side of the road, and there is no more stop signs to stop at, is that your conclusion, tell the judge that the next time you walk into court would you. This is why I say for the most part religion and religions are insane when they come to those kinds of conclusions, you wouldn't tell that to a policeman you wouldn't say that to a judge, why in the world would you say that to God Almighty, why would you come in here and send me an e-mail and tell me that kind of horse puck. Now there's another factor that comes into play here, in Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4, but he answered and said, it is written: man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, and Luke 4:4 Jesus answered in saying, it is written that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. When Jesus made that statement recorded by Matthew and Luke, the only scriptures that were available to anybody was the Old Testament. Paul had not been converted yet, Pauline theology hadn't been thought up yet, Paul had never issued or said a word, the book of acts hasn't been written, no controversy over circumcision had been raised yet. Than Jesus said, men doesn't live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Well the only words that had proceeded out of the mouth of God to that moment in time with a 39 books of the Old Testament, including Moses, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah and Daniel and so on, which we've already concluded that there is no one that has ever said that circumcision in the Old Testament has ever come up for discussion. It was a settled law, you practice circumcision in the Old Testament, their argument is that the New Testament is the doctrine. The New Testament it is a book or books that repeal it. That's not what Jesus is saying here. He is the author of the Old Testament, in John 1:1 he's called the word melchizedek, the guy that gave this contract to Abraham was Jesus of the new. Well then he must have changed his mind. This is the argument, one changes his mind. Well Matthew 4:4 but he answered and he said, it is written man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, is cited from Moses in Deuteronomy 8:3, where it says, and he humbled you and suffered you to hunger and he fed you with manna, which you knew not and neither did your fathers know, that he might make you to know that man does not live by bread only but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the Eternal does man live. Now there are 435 direct citations in the New Testament taken from the Old. What does that tell you, that the Old Testament has been abolished and done away with. Or does that tell you that the New Testament incorporates the Old Testament. Furthermore every law written in the old test, every single law written without exception is repeated in the New Testament, in one of three forms every Old Testament laws contained in the New Testament by direct quotation such as Matthew 4:4 which is directly quoted from Deuteronomy 8:3 or by an example such as a muzzling the ox, that you read in 1st Timothy 5:18, or by a reference such as the French statute which is referenced in Matthew 9:20. Now Matthew 4:4 is cited from Deuteronomy 8:3, 1st Timothy 5:8 muzzling the ox is a direct, is a direct example from Deuteronomy 25:4, and Matthew 9:20 deals with the French statute is a reference to Deuteronomy 22:12. That does not sound like to me that the New Testament is repealing the Old Testament boys and girls, that is not a conclusion that I think any rational, sane, balanced person would come to. But that's not all, there is a little more to the story. Little more to the story. The scripture is written in code to hide its real meaning. Now the next time we are going to take up the New Testament. I am just going to concentrate here on the Old Testament and concepts of law. But the New Testament in a number of scriptures does appear to repeal the Old Testament. So Christian preachers when they look at those statements by Paul who was a prosecuting attorney and who by the way, his statements are sometimes hard to be understood. Paul, the apostle Paul, many of his statements, many of Paul's statements are hard to be understood and because of that we'll read that in, I guess like a 2nd Peter 3:16 we'll cover that next time and will take a look at some of these scriptures where people in the New Testament who were Gentiles had a choice to make. Remember this covenant is not with these Gentiles, this covenant is with the Israelites. And the Israelites are all circumcised on the eighth day. There is no question that the Israelites are being circumcised, the controversy in the New Testament is over the circumcision of Gentiles. And the Gentiles come under Exodus 12:48 remember if you want to come in and practice the Passover you've got to be circumcised, that's a voluntary act, there is no law that requires any Gentile to be circumcised. Go the contract. Go look at the original agreement between God and Abraham. This a contract between me and you Abe, between me and your seed, your children forever. This is no deal with the Chinese, Japanese or the black Africans. They are not under this deal. But in the New Testament the controversy that's being discussed deals with Gentiles, not Israelites. Now going on I hear it said that the Bible contradicts itself, but in John 10:35 the scripture cannot be broken. The Scriptures says the Scripture cannot be broken and all of the scripture is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction. It says knowing this first that no prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation and all scripture is given by inspiration of God and it's profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction and righteousness. And all of these things happened as examples and they are written for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world coming. And Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever, and he is the God that cannot lie. Now if the New Testament repeals circumcision then Jesus Christ is not the same yesterday, today and forever, and scripture can be broken. And God can lie. Now I leave it up to you. God said, I am the God that cannot lie, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever and the Scripture cannot be broken, if those statements are true, if they are true, I am going to presume for the sake of argument that they are, then circumcision hasn't been repealed at all, and all of this statements, all of the laws concerning the circumcision in the Old Testament are repeated in the New Testament and upheld in the New Testament. And that evidently somebody is misconstruing or misunderstanding the terms and conditions of the contract, so keep this contract in mind and when we bring this up next time we'll take a look at all these New Testament scriptures that people are pointing out and say, see this, this does away with circumcision, it doesn't do away with circumcision for any Israelite or any Arab. Now, all of you Arab Moslems out there just for the sake of our discussion here if you go back to the contract I cannot tell you if your contract is written in the Koran, I don't know. But your contract is recorded here in the Hebrew Scriptures as much as you hate those Jews over there, it's written here in the Hebrew Scriptures the terms of the contract include all of you Arabs. You Arabs are under the terms of the contract. Now if you don't want to be circumcised that's your choice in life but I presume that your parents are going to circumcise you whether you like it or not, you should be circumcised on the eighth day, it would be better for you, instead of waiting until you are 2, 12 or 15 years old, but you know, you people can live your life the way you want to, that's a choice that you have to make. But you always want to remember this, that in law there is a choice to make, and if you make the wrong choice there is a penalty to pay. And there is no such thing as a broken law without penalty. And if there were a broken law without a penalty, you wouldn't have a law, you would have a suggestion. And the reason that you have cancer and penile cancer and you have penalties, is because there is a broken law somewhere along the line. And whenever I get letters, you know people would write me a letter and they'll tell me their tale of woe, in every single case you can read the letter and you can read between the lines and say well she's out practicing adultery and this is her boyfriend and her boyfriend came over here and shot her husband, and then they got into these problems and their children ran away from home, and then the State came in and took the children away from her, and you know, this just goes on and on and on. When the State comes in and takes your children, they are not taking your children ladies and gentlemen, they are taking their children that you gave to them when you passed your seed through the fire to Molech, which was a violation of Leviticus 20:1-5. When you come down with penile cancer you've got a broken law. There were only four Jews from 1032 to 2002 in 70 years that came down with penile cancer in the United States of America, and we've got a millions of Jews. I say that that's quite a story. That's just about says it all, doesn't it. You know, far be it for me to tell you to go out and get circumcised or to start practicing circumcision. Now penile cancer does not occur very often in United States of America among people who are uncircumcised, not unheard of but it's not very common. It's practically unheard of among Jews. I don't know what those four guys that were circumcised did to get penile cancer, they had to have broken some other law I guess. So when we are talking about the Old Testament here boys and girls everybody is an agreement that circumcision is right and good. Now if it was right and good with Abraham when God came down and told Abraham to be circumcised it was a good plan. Now if it was a good plan for Abraham when did that plan become wrong, when did it become bad. And I think Mr.Zangger over here ought to ask that question, if the Old Testament laws from God — the same God that you're claiming that you follow in the New Testament, Mr. Zangger. Now Mr. Zangger let me ask you this, do you practice any of these Old Testament laws do you practice laws like Thou shalt not commit adultery or do you sleep with your neighbor's wife? Do you practice thou shalt not steal or do you steal from people, and how about these least laws is least commandments like neither shalt a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon you and you shall not let your cattle gender with a diverse kind. Do you think Jesus violated those laws or do you think he practiced those laws, and if Jesus practiced those laws in the Old Testament or in the New Testament then was there something wrong with those laws, and if so when they did they go wrong. And I think those laws are still good to this day, I don't think that cross breeding cattle is a good practice, I am an old-time cattle breeder, I've been in the cattle business for many years, I've never seen a cattleman yet that wanted my Jersey bull over here breeding his charolais heifers, and when my bull jumped the fence over to Everett's he was right on the telephone, I mean, he was just practically beside himself, just as I would be if his Charolais bull got over here with mine. No sir, looks like to me that that statute in Leviticus 19:19 is a pretty good statute, you know we practice that here you know cattleman, we pretty much practice that law. Christians don't practice it and I think that's what the problem is here, and we'll take that up next time when we come back and look at the New Testament as it relates to this thing of circumcision, I think then we can delineate between Israelites and non-Israelites, the circumcision and the un-circumcision, those that are circumcised and those that aren't and take a look at the free choice that you have. The thing I like about the Bible the most, the thing I like about the plan of God is that this thing has real choices to add. Of course there are penalties if you make the wrong choice, but you know the state doesn't give me a right to choose, and that's the thing that bothers me. They tell me to vaccinate my children they don't tell me that there is a waiver, they tell me to send my children to public school, they don't tell me that there are two other forms of education that are just as legal and probably better for my children. You know the state tells me to go down and register for the draft they don't tell me that there is an exception to the rule. The State tells me what to do but they don't tell me about the exceptions. They don't tell me about the but-cepts. God comes along and says this is what you ought to be doing and if you don't do it that's fine but if you violate the law here is the penalty that you can expect. Alright, so if you want to pay the price, pay the penalty well then that's your choice to do. Alright, next time then, we'll come up with the New Testament, which will be the last segment of the seven part series.
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We've been talking about circumcision this week and now we are up to the last chapter in the circumcision story, it's the New Testament. In the New Testament, there are a number of statements concerning circumcision that, on their face, appear to revoke, annul or rescind the law. At least they've been construed that way. It's improper not to be construed that way. The word circumcise appears in the Bible 10 times and the word circumcised 39 times, circumcision 36 times and circumcising two times, for a total of 87 places in the Bible where we read about the subject matter of circumcision. In order for you to get the whole story on circumcision, you must read all 87 places. It's just that simple, it's called code pleading. Code pleading is the methodology that we use in law to get all of the relevant information on a particular law. In secular law, we read the statute, then we go to the state Supreme Court, maybe to the District Courts, maybe we go to the Law dictionary, or we'll go to the Corpus Juris or Secundum or emjure, maybe the US Supreme Court -- we get all of the information about the topic, and we put it all together and it will tell us pretty much what the law is today. Of course, theologians don't do that. Theologians read two or three scriptures out of the Bible and make their doctrine based upon those two or three scriptures. So if you take two or three or five or 10 scriptures on circumcise, circumcising, circumcision or circumcised, one of those four, you can just about construe, makeup, or create any doctrine you want. But I'm not interested in making up a doctrine, I'm interested in understanding the doctrine that's already been made up in the scripture. And to start off, the number one scripture that everybody turns to, to show that circumcision has been abolished, repealed, is in Acts 15:24, so let's just flip over to Acts 15:24 and see what it says. It says,
for as much as we have heard that certain which went from us have troubled you with words, subverting your soul, saying you must be circumcised and keep the law, to whom we gave no such commandment.
If you take that scripture of and by itself, it says, for as much as
we have heard that certain which went out from us have troubled you with
words subverting your soul saying you must be circumcised, and we never
gave any such commandment,
well then obviously, circumcision must have
been repealed. There must be a statute somewhere in the New Testament that
says circumcision is hereby repealed. I challenge you, boys and girls, go
look for it and I think you're going to be looking until hell freezes over
to find it, because it isn't there. Remember, I looked at every scripture
concerning circumcision, I told you there are 87 places in the Bible where
it occurs. This scripture means what it says and says what it means, and if
Jesus meant what he said, that man doesn't live by bread alone but by every
word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, than Acts 15:24 are some of the
words that came out of the mouth of God and they have to be construed
within the context of every other scripture in the Bible. Remember, the
scripture cannot be broken. If that's true, then let's take a look at a
couple of other factors before we get into the explanation of Acts 15:24.
Let's flip over, first of all, to the code pleading statute which is in
Isaiah 28:9. Let's understand something here about the way the Bible is
written. The Bible is written in code so that you can't understand it, and
sure enough, God has succeeded beyond his wildest expectations, and I've
shown you all week that people do not understand it, as we have read their
comments and statements about circumcision all week. In Isaiah 28:9,
whom shall he teach knowledge and whom shall he make to understand
doctrine?
whom shall he teach knowledge, whom shall he teach about
circumcision, and whom shall he explain so that you can understand the
doctrine of circumcision? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn
from the breasts.
So we've got a parable here, if you want to
understand circumcision, you have to be weaned and drawn from the breasts,
whatever that means. He goes on to say, for precept must be upon
precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a
little there a little.
Precepts and lines and here a little and there a
little, a precept is a statute, so for statute must be upon statute,
precept, concepts and ideas and doctrines upon doctrines, precepts and
ideas, line upon line, a line here, a line there, and a line somewhere
else. Here a little and there a little, and you saw that right here. The
word circumcision occurs in the scripture 87 times. You've got to put them
all together. So that means you've got to take the lines on circumcise 10
places and combine it with the lines on circumcised 39 places and put them
all together, so that you can get the whole picture. Who told you that? It
wasn't George Gordon, it was Isaiah. Isaiah got the message from God
himself. God is telling you how to code plead the scriptures. It's in code,
you want to understand the code? You've got to follow directions. I always
likened that to building a model airplane. When I was a kid, I used to
build little model airplanes and if you glue strut A to tab B, and if
that's what the directions call for, you'll get an airplane. But if you're
gluing tab B to strut 16 on wing spar 37, you may not come up with an
airplane. And that's the problem with theologians. They want to select a
scripture or two here out of context and then create a doctrine around it,
and if that's what they want to do, I don't want to get in their way. Some
of these doctrines are pretty interesting, some of them are pretty funny,
some of them are pretty stupid. I'm not interested in that. I just wanted
to know, what did the lawmaker have in mind, and what does the law require,
and how do I fit into the picture, and let's get on with life. There is one
more scripture here, one more thing we got to do. In verse eleven he says,
for with stammering lips and with another tongue, will I speak to his
people.
Stammering lips and another tongue. I am going to stutter and
speak in German. Why? Well, in verse 13 he says, but the word of the
Eternal was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon
line, line upon line, here a little and there a little.
Why? ?That they
might go and fall backward and be broken and snared and taken. It's written
this way, so that you can't understand it. We don't want you in the club.
You're not invited here. Now, let me demonstrate that. Flip over here to
Matthew 13. Jesus himself said the same thing. Matthew 13 is his story
here, it starts in verse one and it talks about the parable of the sword.
This parable of the sword is a neat little story, and in verse one, he
talks about going out and sitting by the seaside, and great multitudes were
gathered and he spoke many things to them in parables. That's what we just
read an Isaiah 28, them that are drawn from the milk and weaned from the
breast. Those that are of full age. We don't want babies in here, you've
got be an adult. We are looking for a lot of adults. So he tells us this
neat little story about you know, he threw some seed ount and some fell
among thorns and some fellow on good ground and some fell in stony places,
and he explains this, and he's talking about this, that's a parable. In
verse 9 he says, he who has ears to hear let him hear it. So in verse 10
his disciples come up to him and say hey boss, why do you speak to these
people in parables? I went to Sunday school, and my Sunday school teacher
was Mrs. Ray. And Mrs. Ray said he spoke in parables so that those people
can better understand his meaning, because they were ignorant farmers and
they were not educated like you lucky boys and girls, and because they were
ignorant and uneducated he spoke in parables so that they could better
understand his meaning so that they could go to heaven and be with Jesus.
When you are 10 or 11 years old, that make all the sense in the world.
That's a lie, it's not true. But it makes sense when you are 10 or 11. Now
the disciples are all adults. Jesus is an adult. Jesus is speaking to an
audience in parables, his disciples say, hey we heard you, we heard your
words but we don't understand what you telling them. So in verse 11
Jesus answered and said unto them, because it is given unto you to know the mystery of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it's not given. For whosoever has, to him shall be given and he shall have more abundance. But whosoever has not, from him shall be taken away even that which he has. Therefore, speak I to them in parables because they seeing, they see not, and hearing, they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says, by hearing you shall hear and you shall not understand and seeing you shall see and you shall not perceive, for this people's heart is waxed gross, their ears are dull of hearing, their eyes they have closed, lest at anytime they should see with their eyes and hear with your ears and should understand with their heart and should be converted and I should heal them.
He cited that from Isaiah 6:9-13, another one of those man doesn't
live by bread alone but by every word the proceeds out of the mouth of
God
type programs. Now there's one more factor here that we should
factor in it's over here the Romans 8, the carnal mind is enmity against
God, it isn't subject to law of God, and neither indeed can be.
It's
Romans 8:7. It says because the carnal mind is enmity against God it is not
subject to the law of God neither indeed can be. So, if you're just a
normal natural run-of-the-mill, Joe six-pack, then you don't like the law
of God, you don't practice law of God, and why are you concerned about it?
See how it comes down? This program is not designed for everybody, Jesus
plainly said many are called but few there be that are chosen. He is
looking for a few good men, not for everybody. This is not the only day of
salvation, and this is not the major day of salvation. This is the
firstfruits program. There are three resurrections. You are not going to
heaven anyway, boys and girls, there are three Resurrections. Go to
Revelation 20, read it and weep. The first resurrection is called the
better resurrection, and that's what we're dealing with here, it is the
better resurrection. These people that are being called in the New
Testament, the 12 apostles and Paul, these people that are commonly called
Christians they weren't, they were Hebrews. The word Christian only appears
in the Bible three times. Paul never claimed to be a Christian, he said
that he was a Hebrew of the Hebrews. When he was accused of being a
Christian he said, I am not a Christian, I am a Hebrew. Always remember
that, there is a vital distinction between Christians and Hebrews. And
Hebrews aren't all Jews either. Now I do not want to get off on a tangent
on another subject, let's go back to Acts 15:24 remember, that is where we
started with our story. So if you go back Acts 15:24 and read the story,
that is the whole story. It starts around verse 20, so take a look at Acts
15:20, and let's get a feel for the drift of the story flow here. Why did
he say what he said, who did he said it to? In verse 20 it says,
but that we write unto them that they abstain from pollutions of idols and from fornication and from things strangled and from blood, for Moses of old time, has in every city, them that preach him being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day. Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas namely Judas surnamed Barsebus and Silas.
Now notice that Paul is in on this program, they are naming the people that are in on this program. So Paul is in on this and verse 23
they wrote letters by them after this manner the apostles and elders and brethren send greetings unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles, in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia.
This is being written to the Gentiles. Now, remember our contract over in Genesis 17? We've got a contract between Abraham and all of his descendents, and then we've got these Gentiles over here. These Gentiles over here are called the uncircumcision. Throughout the New Testament, you'll see Paul making reference to them. Paul, the prosecuting attorney, the guy that's hard to be understood. 2nd Peter 3:16 says,
as also in all of his epistles speaking in them of these things in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures unto their own destruction.
Now, the subject matter here is the apostle Paul. When Paul writes, he
is legal writer, Paul is a prosecuting attorney. He studied law at the feet
of Gamaliel, he is the only educated apostle there, save for possibly Luke,
who may have been an educated physician. The rest of them are tax
collectors and fishermen and blue collar workers. Paul wasn't. Paul had the
equivalent of a Harvard Law School degree. He studied law at the feet of
Gamaliel. He was personally tutored by one of the top legal minds of his
day. God called him, and said, we've got to have at least somebody here
that's educated and can talk. So in Acts 15:23, the subject matter is to
the Gentiles, for as much as we have heard that certain which went out
from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls saying, you
must be circumcised and keep the law, to whom we gave no such commandment.
It seemed good unto us being assembled with one accord to send chosen men
unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul.
So here's Paul and
Barnabas, they are going out to the Gentiles and he is going to send these
two guys, Barnabas and Paul, to go over to these Gentiles and talk to them.
Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. Paul was the guy that was selected to
go out and talk to these people that are euphemistically spoken of in New
Testament as being they of the uncircumcision, let's understand it. George
Gordon is a descendent of Judah, I am an Israelite. Circumcised on the
eighth day. I am of the circumcision. I didn't have any choice in the
matter of I was eight days old, I didn't object. Now, there are a bunch of
other people out there, these Gentiles like Greeks and Romans and others,
they are of the uncircumcision, they are not Israelites. And so Paul is
going to go over here and talk to these non-Israelites, and some, he
doesn't identify who it was that went out from Jerusalem, but some went out
and they were teaching and they said you have to be circumcised and
practice the law.
Ok, well now we have a little problem, and I have the
same problem today. Let's suppose that you are not circumcised, and you
come to school here. What if I said to you, when you walked into the
school, I said, pull your pants down and let me see if you are circumcised,
because if you're not circumcised I will not teach you the law. You have to
be circumcised and practice the law before you can come to school here.
What would you think of that? I think I'd be looking long and hard to find
another student, don't you? Paul had that problem. Those that were already
circumcised, all the Israelites are already circumcised, they are of the
circumcision, Paul, when he goes out to talk to somebody, he has to walk in
to these people, total strangers, they are foreigners, they might not even
speak the same language, and he's going to teach them the law. He wants to
teach them about, thou shalt not steal
and don't wear mixed
fabric
and he wants to train them in the Passover. They can't practice
the Passover, without being circumcised. So how is he going to do that? So
they went on in verse 26, men that have hazarded their lives for the
name of our Lord Jesus Christ, we have sent there for Judas and Silas who
shall also tell you the same things by mouth,
we're writing you this
letter and we're going to send two guys to come over and tell you the same
thing. Evidently, these guys must have complained. In verse 28, for it
seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden
than was necessary,
see that we're not going to come out here and lay
upon you some heavy-duty trip, and tell you that you have to practice all
759 statutes, judgments and commandments and be circumcised before we're
going to come over and talk to you. So, if you want to convert these
people, than you're going to have to walk in and say, ok well, there are
some basic things over here, you know, you people are now practicing some
pretty wild practices. So they said to them, that you (verse 29) abstain
from meats offered to idols and from blood, and from things strangled, and
from fornication, from which if you keep yourselves you shall do well, fare
you well.
Alright I want to notice something right here, or you notice
that you keep yourself from blood, did you know that in Leviticus 3:17 it
says, you shall eat no manner of fat or blood. So that's not a big
heavy-duty statute there, you know, don't eat blood. Oh by the way you are
laying old Alice, you know, in the back of your chevy van, you know, every
Saturday night why don't you marry that girl instead, or why don't you stop
committing fornication, that would be a step at in right direction. They
laid upon them just some very basic doctrines, laws, and said let's try
this, now we are going to send a couple of guys out here from Jerusalem to
talk to you people about this, and then we'll go on from there. That's all
this scripture is telling you. We're not laying this heavy-duty trip. Let
me give you an illustration, when we do the Passover here, I never say
anything to new people about you have to be circumcised to do the Passover,
we do the Passover and I run through all the scriptures and one of them is
when we go through Exodus 12 you have to be circumcised and people that
aren't circumcised will almost invariably come up and ask me, what am I
going to do, I am not circumcised, I say okay, well now you know Law don't
you? You came here you did the Passover now you know about Exodus 12, and
now you know that you have to be circumcised, so now it's up to you to make
choice. That's all. So if you want to get circumcised, fine, we'll see you
back here next year, and if you are not circumcised, well, why don't you
just forebear until you are circumcised, or until you make up your mind.
That's all there is to that, and that's all that ever went on here in the
New Testament. Now let's take a look at two or three more scriptures. In
Acts 7:51 it says, you stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears,
you do always resist the Holy Ghost as your fathers did, so do you.
Okay, so wait a minute, these people that are being talked to over here are
the Jews, they are circumcised, he said that they are uncircumcised. Well,
this circumcision is spoken of euphemistically as a circumcision of your
heart and the circumcision of your flesh. A guy that goes in, and we saw
this in the medical literature, there is no medical reason why you should
go in and have a piece of skin cut off of your body. For you that are
blacks and Vietnamese, Chinese and Japanese, there are some health benefits
that probably will accrue to you by being circumcised. So if you want to do
it for that reason go to your doctor and tell him, hey listen, I understand
that the Jews have a lesser risk of penile cancer and for that reason I'd
like to be circumcised and here is my $1000 or $5,000 to it. But it doesn't
have anything to do with practicing the law of God or coming up in the
first resurrection or any kind of a commitment that you might make to obey
God and keep his commandments, it is purely physical. Paul complained about
the Jews in his day holding up their physical circumcision as being
something superior to everybody else. Now keep in mind our contract, the
contract is between God and Israelites, so if you're a non-Israelite, you
don't need to be circumcised, there's no law, there's no contract, there's
no duty for you Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, black Africans, there's no
duty for you to be circumcised, and it says so plainly in Galatians 2 verse
three but neither Titus who was with me being a Greek was compelled to
be circumcised.
Titus, a Greek, a non-Israelite, not under the
covenant, not under the contract, there is no duty for him to be
circumcised, he is of the uncircumcised. Now what if Titus wanted to come
in under this deal, what if Titus said, gee, I'd like to come up in the
first resurrection, I would like to get in on this program, what do I have
to do? Jesus answered that question for a rich man, a guy actually asked
him one day. It's in Matthew 19, this rich man, comes up to Jesus and he
says, what good thing do I have to do, boss, in order to obtain eternal
life?
Matthew 19:16 says
behold, one came and said to him, oh good master what good thing shall I do that I may have or inherit eternal life, and he said unto him, why do you call me good, there is none good but one, and that's God, but if you will entering the life keep the commandments. And the rich man said, well which, and Jesus said well you shall do no murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, don't bear false witness, honor your father and mother.
He named off 5 of the 10 Commandments or six. Well, don't you suppose
that Titus over here, asked the same question, being uncircumcised, well
now, what do I have to do to inherit eternal life. What do I have to do to
came into the kingdom of heaven? Well don't you think he would say,
well, keep the Commandments Titus.
Alright now, is circumcision one
of the Commandments? Certainly, circumcision is one of the Commandments.
It's one of the laws, now go back to Jesus, Matthew 5:17 think not that
I've come to destroy the law or the prophets, I didn't come to destroy but
to fulfill.
Jesus fulfilled all of the laws, and he said if you go out
and teach these people to violate the least of the commandments, I'll call
you least in the kingdom, that's assuming that you even make it in. But if
you'll do and teach even these least commandments I'll call you great in
the kingdom. Now Titus if he is going to come into the kingdom, he is going
to have to keep the commandments in order to keep the commandments he is
going to have to practice the Passover. The Passover comes along with the
feast of unleavened bread, the Spring Festival the commemoration of our
coming out of Egypt, it's Independence Day for us Israelites, it's like the
Fourth of July to Americans, Bastille Day to the French, you know most
people in the world have an Independence Day, they go out and they
celebrate this one day, they call it a holiday, holy day, a holiday. We've
got seven of these, one of them is the Passover and days of unleavened
bread, and you're going to have to practice that, but you can't practice
that unless you are circumcised, so here is your choice, if you want to
participate in this program called salvation and eternal life then you have
to be circumcised. But nobody is going to force you Gentiles to be
circumcised, it's a choice that you have to make, it is voluntary, just
like the Army in Iraq. Every one of those guys over there as a volunteer.
No conscripts are there. And that's a way God runs his operation. There are
no conscripts in here, nobody has been drafted, nobody has been forced, in
fact, many are called but few are chosen, even if you volunteer you may not
be chosen. Hang on here a second, let's tell you a little story here and
we'll be back with the conclusion here on this thing of circumcision. You
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Alright, talking about circumcision here in the New Testament. Has the
Law been abolished and done away with? No sir, it hasn't and it can't be
because if the law were abolished and done away with, then it wasn't a law,
it was a suggestion. Jesus said he didn't come to do that and he said
man doesn't live by bread alone but by every word the proceeds out of
the mouth of God.
When he said that, the only law extent was the Law of
Moses, the Old Testament, which contains this contract with Abraham. God
made several contracts, he made a contract with King David, he made a
contract with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. These contracts, by the way, are in
full force and effect and they are being implemented right now today, and
if you want participate in those contracts that's fine, you can do that,
but if you do it then it has to be based upon you, your voluntary consent.
Nobody is going to force you to do it. Now, let's suppose you're an
Israelite, maybe you are Frenchman or you're a Dutchman or something like
that and you have not been circumcised, and you call yourself a Christian.
Well, that's proper, Christians don't get circumcised Christians don't
practice the Law of God. Let me repeat that, Christians are criminals.
Christians do not practice the law of God, and Christians will tell you
plainly we are not under the law we are under grace.
Just ask one,
he'll you tell you that. He is not lying to you. So Christians don't
practice land Sabbaths and jubilees, Christians don't practice mingled
fabrics and cross breeding cattle, and using open-pollinated seeds,
Christians are the guys that are out here creating Monsanto genetically
modified organisms, and I'll just bet you, if you went to Monsanto there's
a bunch of those scientists that go to church every Sunday creating
genetically modified or genetically engineered seeds. They wear mixed
fabric socks and mixed fabric clothes and the farmers that go to church
cross breed their cattle, create beefalo and geeps. I am not telling you
anything that you don't already know am I? Those are just normal, everyday
garden-variety people who the apostle Paul identified in Romans 8:7 as
being carnal minded, and they are not subject to the law of God and they
cannot be subject to the law of God, they hate it. It just drives them up
the wall, and makes them madder than a wet hen, even to have me come over
the air, and tell you that the law of God is holy, righteous, just and
good, it's a pretty good program. Let me show you that. The apostle Paul
who you are giving credit here in Acts Chapter 15:24 of abolishing
circumcision, he had a few things to say about the law of God, Jesus said
that it was a pretty good program in Romans 6:1 what shall we say then,
shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
Christians tell you
we're not under the law we are under grace. And Paul asked rhetorically,
well what shall we say then, shall we continue in sin, shall we go out to
Flo's whore house tonight so that we can continue in sin, then we can come
back and pray to Jesus or go to the holy father on Thursday's confession
and we can confess, and run 3 laps around the beads? And Paul aid in verse
2, God forbid! How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein?
Did anybody ever tell you about sin? What is sin anyway? I John 3-4 tells
you that sin is the transgression of the law, if the law requires you to be
circumcised and you are not uncircumcised, than you are in transgression of
the law. There is a penalty, what's the penalty for not being circumcised?
Go back to the contract, the contract tells you, you will be cut off from
your people. Now if you want to be cut off from your people, than don't get
circumcised. Now let's suppose that you are already circumcised? The
apostle Paul addresses that issue, many people were circumcised, and they
say, hey I am circumcised, I am in like flea and I am a part of the
promised seed. Well he had a few comments about that in I Corinthians 7,
let's just read verses four and five he says, is any man called being
circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised.
So if you think you have
been called and you are circumcised, well then, let him not become
uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision, any of you people out there
that are uncircumcised, let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is
nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments
of God. Ok, try that one. Rhetorically, he says circumcision is nothing,
and uncircumcision is nothing. The cutting off of your foreskin is the
physical evidence that you're under the contract. In order for you to come
up in this first resurrection, get eternal life, whatever the rich man
wanted, go to heaven, you know, this is the common concept, you are going
to go to heaven, then you have to keep the commandments. And he said which,
and he named the Ten Commandments, Jesus said Man doesn't live by bread
alone, he lives by EVERY word that proceeds out of the mouth of God,
did you catch the significance of the word EVERY, do you know what means?
Well I think there are 744,000 words in the Bible or thereabouts, you have
to live by everyone of them. Some of those words deal with circumcision,
some of those words deal with hybrid and GMO seeds and some of them deal
with Sabbaths and holy days. You have to live by every one of those words
in the Bible and people are just really uptight about that, they do not
want to practice the law, in fact they go back over here to Acts 15 and
say, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Why, we don't
want to keep the law of Moses! What in the world is wrong with the law that
says, thou shall not commit adultery?
Did you want me to come out to
your house tonight and take your place in bed with your wife, maybe commit
a little adultery with your wife? Most people say no, no I don't want you
to commit adultery with my wife. How about stealing your lawn mower, would
that make you feel better? I mean we don't want to practice the law of
Moses now, do we? You know, we've ought to be consistent now, boys and
girls, if we're going to use our heads, you know, let's be intelligent
people. Galatians 2:3, but neither Titus who was with me being a Greek was
compelled to be circumcised, makes all the sense in the world, he was a
Greek he was of the uncircumcision. Galatians 5:2,3 behold I Paul send
you that if you be circumcised Christ shall profit you nothing, for I
testify again to every man that is circumcised that he is a debtor to do
the whole law.
Boy, that just sends chills up every Christian's spine.
My God, I would have to do the whole law! So what's wrong with that, what's
wrong with you withholding yourself from committing adultery with your
neighbors wife, what's wrong with you withholding yourself from stealing
your neighbor's lawn mower, what's wrong with you keeping the Sabbath? Is
there something wrong with the law of God that you are sitting here and
saying, well, my God, I wouldn't want to practice that law. Hell, even your
State won't let you run around stealing your neighbors car will they, don't
they call that grand theft auto in New York and California. Come on, let's
grow up and get real. You know these Christians out here have their heads
up the wrong end. That's the bottom line. Look at Galatians 5:11 and I
brethren, if I yet preach circumcision why do I yet suffer persecution?
Then is the offense of the cross ceased.
Here is Paul, he comes along
and he says, and brethren if I yet preach circumcision, I am out here
preaching circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution. Why are you still
persecuting me, because I'm preaching circumcision? Now remember this, the
choice is yours to make. My choice was already made for me. My granny took
me in and had me circumcised, which is exactly what she was supposed to do.
I am an Israelite, I am under the terms of the Old Testament covenant, I
came in the covenant with Abraham and sure enough I was circumcised. Now, I
have a duty to obey God and keep his commandments. I can't steal, I can't
commit adultery with my neighbor's wife. I have to practice this Whole Law.
You know, you people have drivers licenses, and your states have 2000
traffic laws. Every State in the Union has got that. And you signed your
driver's license application, and you get a driver's license and you agree
to obey all the laws of the State, all 2000 of them. God's Law only has 759
statutes, judgments and commandments, and you look upon this and you say,
oh, my God, I've got to practice this whole law! Or, put another way, did
you know those 759 statutes condensed down in to 133 subject matters of
law. That's it 133, of which circumcision is one of them, and I'm looking
right now in the Mosaic law books, I have code plead out every law in the
Bible. There's a statute in here under Kings K. for kings and this law,
which is Chapter 68 in my book, requires me, if I want to be a king, I have
to write this entire law out myself and I did that. I wrote out the whole
law. All 759 statutes, judgments and commandments. I not only wrote the
whole thing out, I studied it carefully, so that I would understand it. So,
when I am asked this question, which is why I am on the air teaching this
lesson this week, when I am asked, should I be circumcised and how does
this circumcision work?
I can answer the question. I code plead it out,
it's in here 87 times. And if you'll just go look up those 87 places,
photocopy them on your copier, cut them out with the scissors, paste them
up you'll have several pages thick, just read the whole story. You are an
adult if you can read and write and if you can think for yourself, it will
tell you the same story I am telling you. Now in Romans 2:25 through Romans
3:1 for circumcision verily profiteth, if you keep the law
Circumcision is profitable if you keep the law. But if you be a breaker
of the law your circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Now here I am
circumcised in the flesh, and I am running around here, you know, hey I am
of the circumcision. Now if I go out and break the law than my circumcision
becomes uncircumcision. Therefore, if the uncircumcision, if one of you
black Africans who is not circumcised, if you keep the righteousness of the
law, if you go out and withhold yourself from committing adultery with your
neighbor, stealing your neighbor's car, if you actually go out and practice
the law of God, and you have not had your foreskin cut off, listen to this,
shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision. I tell you,
partner, if you're uncircumcised and you practice the law, you'll have a
better chance of success than George Gordon will, being circumcised and
breaking the law. Now, if you knew and understood that, assuming that you
can grasp what I'm telling you, remember many are called and few were
chosen, so not everybody grasps this, because it's written in code, and
this isn't for everybody to understand. There are a few people God is
calling, and maybe I'm one of them maybe I'm not, I have high hopes, but
then you know, I won't know until I am actually selected, now will I? But
if I don't try, I won't succeed, so I am going to try real hard, and if I
don't come up in the first resurrection don't feel sorry for me, I give it
the best shot I had and I didn't make it. This is because he didn't want
me. But if I succeed, and if I make it, and let's assume that you make it
with me, that both of us will come in the kingdom together, let's try it
this way, you walk up to the judgment seat and the boss will ask you this
questions, hey Tom, Tom come on over here, let me ask you a few
questions,
and you say, yes sir boss,
so you over to talk to a
St. Peter or Jesus or God or whoever does at the judgment seating, he says
Tom, Tom are you circumcised?
, no sir boss, I am not
circumcised
, and let's suppose God asks you why, Tom can you tell me
why weren't you circumcised.
Well, sir I believed Acts 15:24 that I
didn't have to be circumcised.
Tom, Tom did you practice the
Passover, did you practice the days of unleavened bread, the Sabbath and my
holidays?
, no, no I practiced the Fourth of July and Christmas
Easter and New Years, boss. I was a good Christian
and, alright so now
he calls me over, and he says, ?hey Gordon, Gordon were you circumcised?,
?yes sir?, ?Did you do-it-yourself?, ?nope I was circumcised on the eighth
day my granny did it?. ?Did you practice my law?? ?I did boss? ?Did you
practice the Passover the days of unleavened bread?? ?Yes sir I did.? ?And
how about the Sabbaths and holy days?? ?Did those too.? ?Did you practice
all of my law?? ?Yes sir I practiced all of the law?. Now the boss is going
to make a choice, he is going to select, let's suppose he is going to
select the mayor of New York, who is he going to pick? I'll just leave it
up to you, if you are a God who would you pick. The guy that followed your
instructions or the guy that gave you the finger and told you to stick it
where there is no daylight. This isn't rocket science, you know. I don't
think you have to go to seminary to figure out whether or not you ought to
get circumcised. You can't do the Passover without circumcision, you'll see
that in Exodus 12:48. So, if you're a gentile and you are a black African
or you are a Chinaman or you are a Japanese or somebody else, you are
what's called a gentile here in Scripture, and you want to join up with our
gang. See you want to come up in the first resurrection you'd like to get
eternal life and rulership over the nations. It's not very likely that you
are going to be interested in that program, but just assuming that you
might be interested, what do you have to do? The rich man in Matthew 19 was
probably of the circumcision, he probably was a Jew of his day. He came up
to Jesus, remember he said I've done all these things from my youth
up.
So if he had done all these things from his youth up, then he
probably was circumcised and he was practicing the law. So, Jesus laid one
more little burden on him and he said, ok that's good, now go sell
everything that you've got and come follow me and I'll give you a place as
one of my twelve apostles. I think that's what he was offering him. He was
going to lose Judas anyway. Had that rich man done that he would've been
one of those 12. Now if you go to Hebrews chapter 11, the 12 apostles are
coming up in the first resurrection. Each one of them is going to be a
governor, a king, over one of the 12 tribes of Israel and David is going to
be a king over all 12 tribes. Those are political offices, those positions
of rulership have already been determined, they have already been settled,
and you can rest assured that all of those guys were circumcised, and you
can rest assured that every gentile who has ever come in to this program
has voluntarily gone out and been circumcised. And if he hasn't, which he
didn't have to, just like we saw up here in Galatians 2:3, this gentile
could come up and say, well I wasn't circumcised boss because I read in
Galatians 2:3 that I did not have to be circumcised. Well ok, that's fine.
Don't you think the boss is going to ask you, well, how come you didn't
do the Passover, how come you didn't follow Exodus 12:48, kid? How come you
didn't do that?
How is Titus going to answer that, how's Titus going to
come back on that one? Again, these are decisions that you have to make.
Colossians 2:11 whom also you are circumcised with a circumcision made
without hands in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the
circumcision of Christ, putting off the body of sins.
What is sin? Sin
is a transgression of the law. Sin is the violation of the law. You have to
stop breaking the law. One of the laws that you need to stop breaking is
circumcision. It's just the way life is, isn't it? Hey there is one more
item we ought to take a quick look at. And that's this thing called love. I
hear these guys, remember Zangger, he was constantly referring to love, he
says we've got to love these little babies, we've got to love these little
children and we've got a show love, you know, to people over here. Well,
listen, the definition of love is mentioned here in the Scripture two or
three times. In I John 5:2,3 listen to this, by this we know that we
love the children of God when we love God and keep his commandments. For
this is the love of God that we keep his commandments, and his commandments
are not grievous.
The average guy out here says, oh my God, I've got
to follow the whole law, I don't want to do that.
My question is, why
not? Is there something wrong with the law of God, and if so, when did it
become bad, when did it become wrong? Now Zangger had a couple of comments,
and he is certainly entitled to his comments, I don't want to run the guy
down. Freedom of religion is a part and parcel of American law, it's a part
and parcel of the law of God. Deuteronomy 30 tells you to choose, that
choice, opportunity, freedom, liberty comes from God, not from Hillary
Clinton. It doesn't come from the patriot act, it comes from God and it is
espoused with particular emphasis in Deuteronomy chapter 30 where it says,
now choose you this day who you're going to serve.
And Zangger came
up and he says, you know, we need a show love. Well, here love, we are
showing love to the children of God when we keep his commandments. Now
circumcising your child on the eighth day is what the law requires. Now,
that's not a requirement for you Gentiles out there, just for us
Israelites. We are the guys that are under the covenant, we are the guys
that are under the contract. Now, if you Gentiles come to the conclusion
that you'd like to join us Israelites in the kingdom of God, well then you
too have to keep the commandments of God and they are not grievous. So then
you circumcise your children on the eighth day, not the ninth day, not 2
years old or five years old or on the first day or the second day which is
convenient for the doctor. You do it on THE eighth day. If God had wanted
it done at two years or five years, or on the first day or the second day
he would have told you. And the fact that he told you to do it with
specificity on the eighth day gives you a little test. Can you do what
you're told? Can you follow instructions? You know, that's what this whole
program is all about, can you follow your instructions? Picture this, let's
say 30,000 years from now, you know you've made it into the kingdom of God
and you've got eternal life for 30,000 years and you are the king over a
galaxy with a hundred million suns and stars, one day the boss comes up,
God comes up and he says, all right now, Tom, we want to move this galaxy
about 36 light years to the left, and you give them the finger and say to
hell with you we are going to move it 150 light years to the right. Now,
how do you think the universe is going to run, if you and a bunch of other
guys out there can't follow simple instructions like, you know, to keep
this thing running? It kind of reminds me of the traffic cop, you know, you
got this guy in the middle of the intersection wearing in a blue uniform,
and he holds his hand up, and you give him the finger and drive on through.
The purpose for having the traffic cop is so that somebody can follow his
instructions. You know that's you and me, we follow the instructions of the
traffic cop, one guy stops and the other guy goes through. I suspect that
God needs people that can sit down, shut up, fold their hands and do what
they're told, and circumcision is one of them. But as I told you early on,
this week's program is aimed at giving you the information so that you can
make a determination as to whether or not you want to practice
circumcision. You don't have to, I am not going to get mad at you, I am not
going to write you a letter, I am not going to march on Washington, I don't
care if you practice it or not, I'm not going to give you any rewards for
practicing circumcision, and I am not going to punish you if you don't. But
you may not receive whatever it is that you thought that you were going to
get, if you did practice or if you did think that you were going to go to
heaven or get some kind of a benefit. You know, you might want to be
thinking about that. Well, there is the story on circumcision. It's quite a
little story and I took you through everybody's opinion and everybody's
ideas and I don't hide it from anybody, I've got my opinion, I've got my
idea, and I think here's what we ought to do, obey God and keep his
commandments. Circumcision is one of them, and you ought to do that if you
want to obey God and keep his commandments, if you don't want to obey God
and keep his commandments, and if you're not going to practice the law
anyway, well then, why go get circumcised? I mean, if you are not going to
practice, you know, thou shalt not steal and thou shalt not commit
adultery
, then why would you want to go out there and subject yourself
to circumcision?
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